Round: 14 Phase: 10 (Check Game End)
DanielB: Let's be careful out there...
Paul B: Let's do it to them before they do it to us!
Eric H. bids $9 for AKE
An-Jen T leaves auction
Paul B leaves auction
Bryan Eastman leaves auction
DanielB leaves auction
Eric H. buys AKE for $9 from the bank
An-Jen T bids $10 for BPM
Paul B leaves auction
Bryan Eastman leaves auction
DanielB leaves auction
Eric H. leaves auction
An-Jen T buys BPM for $10 from the bank
Paul B bids $8 for KME
Bryan Eastman leaves auction
DanielB leaves auction
Eric H. leaves auction
An-Jen T leaves auction
Paul B buys KME for $8 from the bank
Bryan Eastman bids $3 for BME
DanielB leaves auction
Eric H. leaves auction
An-Jen T leaves auction
Paul B leaves auction
Bryan Eastman buys BME for $3 from the bank
DanielB bids $3 for BSE
Eric H. leaves auction
An-Jen T bids $4 for BSE
Paul B leaves auction
Bryan Eastman leaves auction
DanielB leaves auction
An-Jen T buys BSE for $4 from the bank
-- Round: 1 Phase: 4 (Determine New Player Order) --
New player order: DanielB, Bryan Eastman, Paul B, Eric H., An-Jen T
-- Round: 1 Phase: 5 (Foreign Investor Buys Companies) --
-- Round: 1 Phase: 6 (Corporations Buys Companies) --
-- Round: 1 Phase: 7 (Close Companies) --
BME passes
KME passes
AKE passes
BPM passes
BSE passes
-- Round: 1 Phase: 8 (Collect Income) --
DanielB collects $0 income
Bryan Eastman collects $1 income
Paul B collects $2 income
Eric H. collects $2 income
An-Jen T collects $3 income
Foreign Investor collects $5 income
-- Round: 1 Phase: 9 (Pay Dividends And Adjust Share Prices) --
-- Round: 1 Phase: 10 (Check Game End) --
-- Round: 2 Phase: 1 (Issue New Shares) --
-- Round: 2 Phase: 2 (Form Corporations) --
BPM passes
AKE passes
Paul B forms corporation Horse with KME at $11 - 2 shares issued.
BSE passes
BME passes
-- Round: 2 Phase: 3 (Auctions And Share Trading) --
DanielB bids $8 for MHE
Bryan Eastman bids $9 for MHE
Paul B leaves auction
Eric H. leaves auction
An-Jen T leaves auction
DanielB leaves auction
Bryan Eastman buys MHE for $9 from the bank
Bryan Eastman passes
Paul B bids $14 for OL
Eric H. bids $15 for OL
An-Jen T leaves auction
DanielB leaves auction
Bryan Eastman leaves auction
Paul B bids $16 for OL
Eric H. leaves auction
Paul B buys OL for $16 from the bank
Eric H. bids $16 for SX
An-Jen T bids $17 for SX
DanielB leaves auction
Bryan Eastman leaves auction
Eric H. leaves auction
An-Jen T buys SX for $17 from the bank
DanielB bids $12 for BD
Bryan Eastman bids $13 for BD
Eric H. leaves auction
DanielB leaves auction
Bryan Eastman buys BD for $13 from the bank
Eric H. passes
DanielB bids $17 for MS
Eric H. leaves auction
DanielB buys MS for $17 from the bank
Eric H. passes
An-Jen T: Eric, just curious, but were you gambling that we would get a cheaper yellow that you could buy next turn?
Paul B: I think the pass was absolutely brilliant. It didn't pay off because the yellow turned out to be DR (too expensive), but it figured to pay. I very much admired it.
Paul B: It put Daniel in a very difficult spot. He clearly was poaching the new yellow. By passing Eric gave Daniel two bad choices. 1. Bid on MS and have no $ for a yellow. 2. Pass and there is no yellow. Plus, if Daniel passes, the game slows so much that Daniel would have been in a huge hole. The idea was f***ing brilliant. Bravo! The fact that it didn't pay off is proof that the universe is not a fair place.
DanielB passes
-- Round: 2 Phase: 4 (Determine New Player Order) --
New player order: Eric H., DanielB, Bryan Eastman, Paul B, An-Jen T
-- Round: 2 Phase: 5 (Foreign Investor Buys Companies) --
-- Round: 2 Phase: 6 (Corporations Buys Companies) --
DanielB: Eric. Brilliant play. Paul’s assessment is 100 percent spot on.
Horse buys OL for $17 from Paul B
-- Round: 2 Phase: 7 (Close Companies) --
KME passes
OL passes
AKE passes
MS passes
BME passes
MHE passes
BD passes
BPM passes
BSE passes
SX passes
-- Round: 2 Phase: 8 (Collect Income) --
Horse collects $6 income
Eric H. collects $2 income
DanielB collects $3 income
Bryan Eastman collects $6 income
Paul B collects $0 income
An-Jen T collects $6 income
Foreign Investor collects $5 income
-- Round: 2 Phase: 9 (Pay Dividends And Adjust Share Prices) --
Horse pays $0 dividends
Horse changes share price from $11 to $12
Horse changes share price from $12 to $13
-- Round: 2 Phase: 10 (Check Game End) --
-- Round: 3 Phase: 1 (Issue New Shares) --
Horse issues a share and receives $12
Horse changes share price from $13 to $12
-- Round: 3 Phase: 2 (Form Corporations) --
DanielB: An Jen. We have incredibly synergistic companies. Do you want to sell to me or vice versa?
MS passes
An-Jen T forms corporation Android with SX at $10 - 4 shares issued.
BD passes
MHE passes
BPM passes
An-Jen T: Daniel, agreed, and I'm guessing I'll buy from you next turn.
Paul B: Be careful, An-Jen, I think you put yourself in the far inferior position buying companies from other players. You have the overhead of starting the corporation - in your case $20 ($16 for SX plus $4) and you give Daniel a free ride if you buy his company from him. I recognize that it's a useful company for Android corp to have, but it's far more important for Daniel that he unload MS asap. The dividend for him is 17% - one of the worst yields in the game - so he will be desperate to divest. Don't make things too easy for him, please.
Bryan Eastman: would it make sense for An-Jen to insist that Daniel buy into android first?
An-Jen T: I would agree if I bought it from him this turn ......
Paul B: That's an interesting negotiating tact. I had not considered that. I like it.. ....certainly something to consider for future negotiations.
DanielB: An-Jen. Just let me know what you think works best for you. I’m open-minded although I imagine you get the most value buying it sooner rather than later
DanielB: Paul with 1-2 synergies I agree with your assessment. With three synergies it begins to turn...
Eric H.: So Paul, it would seem to me that it is VERY important for you that you get PR this turn for 19. Considering that I could play a role in whether that happens or not I would like to know what sort of price you can give me for AKE in Round 5.
AKE passes
BSE passes
Eric H.: Or even Round 6.
Paul B: I don't have any particular interest in AKE.
Eric H.: OK? Daniel if I buy PR and incorporate will you sell me MS?
Bryan Eastman forms corporation Saturn with BME at $13 - 2 shares issued.
-- Round: 3 Phase: 3 (Auctions And Share Trading) --
Eric H.: Brian, that is a crippling move. You may want to consider a rolback.
DanielB: Eric. Sure I will. Price? An-Jen. I’m inclined to sell to Eric but will honor our “intentions if you will commit to an acceptable time and price now.
DanielB: Eric. Please specify price and if I don’t hear back from An-Jen in next 30 min and your price is acceptable. I’ll commit to a deal with you. Sound fair?
Eric H.: Actually there are too.many corporations now that Brian founded his. I am just going to wait for a Yellow Corp.
Paul B: I don't see anything wrong with Bryan's move. I know Daniel doesn't like putting so much cash into a new corp, but to me it makes sense to give the corp a high capitalization. After all, investors are matching dollar for dollar and all of the cash is going back into his pocket in a few short phases. He'll be well positioned for next turn when the yellows come.
Eric H. passes
Bryan Eastman: Paul are you suggesting I’d strip my new corporation of all its liquid assets in the crucial start up phase? Because, yes
Bryan Eastman: That is my plan.
DanielB: Okay Eric. Np. An Jen. Let me know what you have in mind. Thx. I may even buy a share which will slow down the game and be good for your reds. If you don’t mind me getting in and later out. I’d be more inclined to if you could express some thoughts on your dividend policy and timing of MS deal and proce
DanielB bids $11 for WT
Paul B leaves auction
An-Jen T: Daniel, I don't know that I have a specific dividend policy in mind. I usually decide what to do based on the immediate prospects of what I need to make a purchase next turn and/or for the corp to hold funds for the next acquisition. At the moment I am inclined to buy MS next turn rather than this turn, though I could be persuaded otherwise. Probably a moot point, but your purchasing one share and selling it the next turn doesn't strike me as something all that valuable to me.
DanielB: An-Jen. No problem. I’m open to the purchase of MS the following turn. (4.6). Shall we say for $20?
Eric H. leaves auction
DanielB buys WT for $11 from the bank
Paul B bids $19 for PR
Eric H. leaves auction
Paul B buys PR for $19 from the bank
Eric H.: Is it really too much to ask for KK to pop out. That sucks.
Bryan Eastman: Why do you want kk? I don’t follow.
Paul B: Neither do I.
DanielB: Eric. The sbb seems like a totally attractive option. Waiting another round for it seems a little harsh. But viable...
DanielB: I will sell you WT when the time is right for you
Bryan Eastman: Why sbb? Isn’t pkp just better (barring specific synergies, which Eric doesn’t have?)
Eric H.: Daniel based on your own decision to buy MS last turn I hardly believe that your advice to me to wait for SBB is in my best interest.
An-Jen T: Daniel, I don't think I'm prepared to commit to a price of 20 just yet.
An-Jen T passes
An-Jen T: In fact, I may make you an offer for MS this turn, not that you'll necessarily want to sell, but we'll see how things go ....
Paul B: I'm with Bryan, here. Why SBB?
Paul B: Eric, given this comment by An-Jen there may be pretty fierce competition for yellows next turn. Bryan will have $25 and more if he dividends. Daniel could have $28. Getting WT at cost has some distinct advantages.
Paul B: Sorry, that's BY.
Eric H.: Guys I am willing to buy and flip HE OR BY to any interested corp THIS turn for max. Bryan BY would be Great for Saturn. It would also keep it out of the foreign investors hands which is good for you as you could sell Saturn BD for the max and collect full income off of MHE and youll have a nice set of synergies waiting for MHE when you sell it off for max when it is unprofitable as a private corp,
Eric H.: I'll do one better. I'll flip either HE or BY THIS turn with only a $2 mark-up.
Eric H.: Buying BY slows down the game by keeping it away from the PI and that alone should be a good enough reason for some people to take a $2 flip deal for BY.
Paul B: Actually, you buying BY and immediately flipping it speeds the game more than the foreigner buying and holding.
Eric H.: I am still offering the $2 flip deal. Just need to here An-Jen and Brian say yes/no and I will continue with my turn.
Eric H.: hear not here
Paul B: I would do the $2 deal for HE.
Eric H.: Getting NO return on my $25 this turn is killing me.
Paul B: Horse will pay $17 for HE.
Eric H.: OK. A $2 flip deal. I buy HE now and Horse buys it from me THIS turn for $17. DEAL?
Paul B: Yes.
Eric H. bids $15 for HE
Eric H. buys HE for $15 from the bank
DanielB: Well that was interesting. Well done negotiating Eric
DanielB: Oh. I thought it was the $23 SbB. True true the $26 sbb is less attractive.
An-Jen T passes
-- Round: 3 Phase: 4 (Determine New Player Order) --
New player order: Eric H., DanielB, An-Jen T, Bryan Eastman, Paul B
-- Round: 3 Phase: 5 (Foreign Investor Buys Companies) --
Foreign Investor buys BY for $13 from the bank
-- Round: 3 Phase: 6 (Corporations Buys Companies) --
Android buys BSE for $3 from An-Jen T
Android offers $20 for MS
Android buys MS for $20 from DanielB
Horse offers $17 for HE
Horse passes
Saturn buys BD for $15 from Bryan Eastman
Saturn buys MHE for $10 from Bryan Eastman
Android passes
Horse buys HE for $17 from Eric H.
-- Round: 3 Phase: 7 (Close Companies) --
KME passes
OL passes
HE passes
SX passes
BSE passes
MS passes
BME passes
BD passes
MHE passes
AKE passes
WT passes
BPM passes
PR passes
-- Round: 3 Phase: 8 (Collect Income) --
Saturn collects $7 income
Horse collects $10 income
Android collects $11 income
Eric H. collects $2 income
DanielB collects $3 income
An-Jen T collects $2 income
Bryan Eastman collects $0 income
Paul B collects $3 income
Foreign Investor collects $8 income
-- Round: 3 Phase: 9 (Pay Dividends And Adjust Share Prices) --
Saturn pays $0 dividends
Saturn changes share price from $13 to $14
Saturn changes share price from $14 to $15
Saturn passes
Horse pays $0 dividends
Horse changes share price from $12 to $13
Horse changes share price from $13 to $14
Horse passes
Android pays $1 dividends - An-Jen T receives $2
Android changes share price from $10 to $11
-- Round: 3 Phase: 10 (Check Game End) --
-- Round: 4 Phase: 1 (Issue New Shares) --
DanielB: Bryan. Can you make me a reasonable offer for WT in 4.6? I’m thinking $13...
Saturn passes
Bryan Eastman: In 4.6 Saturn will have $7. I’ll cheerfully buy it for that.
Bryan Eastman: Or you can buy Saturn yourself and buy up wt at any price you like.
Bryan Eastman: MHE is for sale at 10, or 8+ 3 future dollars on a deal of my choice.
DanielB: I see Saturn looking a bit sad. Fair enough. Perhaps the following round for $9?
DanielB: Paul let me know if you are I terested in giving me $26 for dsb in 5.6 (you’d need to issue next two rounds to get or in and then dsb. But it’d be pretty good then for a while
Horse issues a share and receives $13
Horse changes share price from $14 to $13
Paul B: Daniel, no thanks.
Bryan Eastman: Offering a company you don’t own is kinda ballsy.
Android issues a share and receives $10
Android changes share price from $11 to $10
-- Round: 4 Phase: 2 (Form Corporations) --
PR passes
WT passes
BPM passes
AKE passes
-- Round: 4 Phase: 3 (Auctions And Share Trading) --
Eric H. passes
DanielB bids $20 for DSB
Bryan Eastman bids $21 for DSB
Eric H. leaves auction
DanielB leaves auction
Bryan Eastman buys DSB for $21 from the bank
Eric H.: Paul any interest in buying AKE next turn?
Eric H.: Round 5 I mean
Paul B: No
Paul B: My answer may change based on circumstances, but I wouldn't plan on it.
Bryan Eastman: Saturn will give you face value.
Eric H.: OK Saturn buys AKE for face value turn 5 Deal?
Eric H.: Alternately, AKE for $7 this turn. Thats $4 income over two turns and $3 in transferable book value when you gut Saturn.
Paul B: Wow! That's chutzpah! Your on the verge of making a deal that's entirely one-sided in your favor and the you try to improve it!
Android changes share price from $10 to $11
An-Jen T buys share of Android for $11
Eric H.: Whats the difference? If he buys it on turn 5 for 6 or this turn for 7. The income is still earned. If we consumate for $7 this turn the income is synergized twice.
Eric H.: Brian is capable of deciding what is "one-sided". He made the initial offer and I assume he has his reasons for making it,
Eric H. bids $29 for DR
Eric H. buys DR for $29 from the bank
An-Jen T: Bryan, instead of buying make, how about selling me MHE for face?
Eric H.: Of course SZD pops out for Daniel and I get shafted by DR popping out last turn. Well it is be interesting to see what he does.
Eric H.: will be
DanielB bids $22 for B
DanielB buys B for $22 from the bank
Bryan Eastman: You can have MHE for 9, unless Paul is willing to go 9+a future dollar.
Bryan Eastman: Eric, I was offering you face value this turn.
Bryan Eastman: And why do you think I’m going to gut Saturn anytime soon?
Eric H.: You stated I. Your previous comment to would strip your company of it
Eric H.: It's assets when you got your Yellow unless I read that wrong.
Eric H.: In any case, I'll do the AKE for AKE for face value deal even though I am really trying to recover from the $4 income hit from turn 3 when stupid DR popped out and I had to flip HE.
Paul B: For Immediate Release: Horse Corporation has bee the subject of some press speculation regarding future acquisitions. Management would like to make it known that acquisitions beyond the imminent purchase of PR are unlikely to be consumated in the foreseeable future. While the management team will give careful consideration to any offer that might bolster their competitive situation, the likelihood is that there will be no additional acquisitions in this quarter or in the upcoming quarter.
Bryan Eastman: Just a heads up, I’m flying today, so I will be slower than usual to respond.
An-Jen T passes
-- Round: 4 Phase: 4 (Determine New Player Order) --
New player order: DanielB, Bryan Eastman, Paul B, Eric H., An-Jen T
-- Round: 4 Phase: 5 (Foreign Investor Buys Companies) --
-- Round: 4 Phase: 6 (Corporations Buys Companies) --
Android buys BPM for $9 from An-Jen T
An-Jen T: Bryan, 8 is as high as I will go.
Android offers $8 for MHE
Horse buys PR for $24 from Paul B
Paul B: Just looking over last game to see how things compared with this one and noticed that I made a huge blunder starting a corporation in 6.2. I could have had 2 yellow companies and been entirely free of reds and oranges (with the foreign investor already well activated). I'm not sure how I didn't see that at the time.
Paul B: Now I see why I did it (to get a green) but it still looks like an error.
Android buys MHE for $8 from Saturn
Saturn passes
Paul B: An-Jen, You need to actually pass when you're done with "corporations buy companies."
Android passes
-- Round: 4 Phase: 7 (Close Companies) --
BME passes
BD passes
KME passes
OL passes
HE passes
PR passes
SX passes
BSE passes
MS passes
BPM passes
MHE passes
WT passes
B passes
DSB passes
AKE passes
DR passes
-- Round: 4 Phase: 8 (Collect Income) --
Saturn collects $4 income
Horse collects $17 income
Android collects $18 income
DanielB collects $9 income
Bryan Eastman collects $6 income
Paul B collects $0 income
Eric H. collects $7 income
An-Jen T collects $0 income
Foreign Investor collects $8 income
-- Round: 4 Phase: 9 (Pay Dividends And Adjust Share Prices) --
Saturn pays $0 dividends
Saturn changes share price from $15 to $16
Saturn changes share price from $16 to $18
Saturn passes
Horse pays $4 dividends - Paul B receives $4
Horse changes share price from $13 to $14
Android pays $2 dividends - An-Jen T receives $6
Android changes share price from $11 to $12
-- Round: 4 Phase: 10 (Check Game End) --
-- Round: 5 Phase: 1 (Issue New Shares) --
Saturn issues a share and receives $16
Saturn changes share price from $18 to $16
Horse issues a share and receives $13
Horse changes share price from $14 to $13
Eric H.: An-Jen any interest in AKE at this point? With synergies it will generate $4 income for you this turn (and possibly next turn) and prop up your other reds for another couple of turns after.
Android passes
-- Round: 5 Phase: 2 (Form Corporations) --
An-Jen T: Eric, possibly, but the most I am willing to pay is $4. I have a feeling you are not going to go for that given uh, past experience. Perhaps Paul will make you a better offer.
Eric H.: You know very well that Paul won't since he declared he won't be buying it. I will accept $5 this turn, $4 next turn, and $3 the following turn.
Bryan Eastman: Eric, if you want personal cash, saturn will pay 33 for DR. (splitting the $7 difference between face and max)
DanielB: Eric, so you are not drawn by my offer of B and WT to that Bear....so be it...it still stands however
DanielB: personally, i think i'd either take the $33, or float at $11 and do deals,
DanielB: but you will only get $33 + 1 out of this... that's $34... if you float at $11, you can dividend yourself $9, then $12, then sell for about 21, plus buy AKE for $8 - $50 return and one share of corp left... seems better...or about the same...
DanielB: only about the same, if you get a Cheap GREEn... if cheap ones are gone... ouch
Eric H.: I would rather NOT float DR yet. If I do I will float at $11. I would rather accept a purchase of AKE for $5 this turn and collect a turn of income. Paul, if you sit on your hands as regards to AKE you are going to find yourself share stacked with Bear/DR at the bottom.
Eric H.: Obviously Daniel suggested $11 for a good reason and I am sure he has your best interests at heart :)
Eric H.: When I hear pass/pass from An-Jen/Paul with regard to $5 for Peach I will go ahead and float at $11.
Paul B: No, thanks.
DanielB: i'd rather Eric floated at $18 so he has more cash... but I do believe $11 is better for him and his medium term prospects
Paul B: Hold on let me think for a moment.
Paul B: Nah, if you don't float for $11 someone else probably will.
DanielB: oh shit, I forgot about that.... depends on whether he wants to buy my companies...
Paul B: Ok, I'll do it AKE for $5 this turn and you don't float DR at 11,14 or 15 (18 is fine)
DanielB: what a set of orders....i'm sure it's well thought out Paul!
DanielB: LOL
Paul B: Considering that I have no desire to own AKE...
Paul B: I'm perfectly happy to make unreasonable demands.
Paul B: Since I'm basically being extorted into it.
Eric H.: OK Paul, no float of DR this turn and you buy AKE for $5. Deal?
Paul B: Deal
DR passes
Eric H.: In the VERY unlikely event that An-Jen offered $6 for AKE would you would be OK with me selling to him?
Eric H.: Just asking.
Paul B: Yes!
Eric H.: Int any case I don't think you will lose money on AKE. Even if you sold it on to Android for $3 next turn you would still net $1.
Paul B: It's not a question of losing money. It's that I have a better use in mind for it.
DanielB forms corporation Bear with B at $15 - 4 shares issued.
DSB passes
WT passes
An-Jen T: I am not going to 6, but if Paul is lukewarm about $5, I can be persuaded to step in... But let's see how the turn plays out.
Eric H.: I am not releasing Paul from his sel
Eric H.: deal. There is no need to step in unless you offer $6. You are not getting it for $5.
AKE passes
-- Round: 5 Phase: 3 (Auctions And Share Trading) --
DanielB: You guys are so passionate about a buck for a red company that will soon be worth almost zilch!
Bear changes share price from $15 to $14
DanielB sells share of Bear for $14
Paul B bids $31 for SZD
Paul B buys SZD for $31 from the bank
Paul B: An-Jen, You've probably already worked this out, but Daniel getting NS for $21 would be a bad thing. It synergizes with B, and if he gets it he can get BR next turn. NS doesn't synergize for you but it does provide an excellent yield even at $22. If you get it, I'll buy it from you in 6.6 for max.
Android changes share price from $12 to $11
An-Jen T sells share of Android for $11
DanielB: An-Jen, if you take NS at $22, I am willing to buy it from you for max in 5.6
DanielB bids $21 for NS
DanielB: alternatively, for $1 more, wouldn't PKP be nice for you?
DanielB: if you take your $5 profit from my purchase of NS, you can dividend and get a green, which seems all around better for both of us...
An-Jen T: decisions, decisions
DanielB: Paul, as it's been said, it takes a bit of chutzpah to buy the first green (which my poor play enabled i suppose), and then recommend to other players strategies against them, while your sitting with a round 5 green in V.1 Good luck screwing up your current, enviable position
Paul B: There's nothing An-Jen can do about my green, and as you point out, I may well screw it up. Your history suggests that you are the most likely to win this game.
DanielB: Paul, I don't think you'll screw it up...this time--I'm just saying the Leader should kibbutz less...i did consider this eventuality, if i'd have pared at $10, I could sell down and get to $24. Of course then Anjen could have stolen my new corp easily but then I could have had exactly $33 and bought BR, so I guess I didn't do enough math...
Paul B: I don't see any particular obligation not to work at tilting the game in one's favor regardless of perceived rank. Given that we all have lots of distractions, pointing out the occasional opportunity to stymie a mutual adversary also seems worthwhile.
Bryan Eastman: Daniel, you really shouldn’t suggest anyone else should talk less.
Paul B: An-Jen, If you keep Daniel from NS, it also works to slow the game (one new company versus 2 new companies) this aspect is entirely in your interest.
DanielB: Bryan, duly duly noted. I do try to keep the majority of my commentary substantive, since some of us receive far to many notifications... Paul shall we do any more Jaw-boning?
An-Jen T bids $22 for NS
An-Jen T buys NS for $22 from the bank
An-Jen T passes
Bryan Eastman: An-Jen, I’m thinking that maybe you’d rather not sell NS to some who’ll get $4 synergy?
An-Jen T: If you are willing to buy it this turn, I'm happy to sell it to you.....
DanielB: An-Jen - so you will sell NS Bear - deal?
DanielB: and clarification, is there an existing deal that has been agreed to whereby Saturn is buying DR for $33
Eric H.: There is NO deal whereby DR is being sold for $33. A ridiculous offer for the most highly synergized company in the game.
Eric H.: And no I am not selling it this turn (even for Max) to anyone.
An-Jen T: Daniel, my intention is to sell NS to the first person that offers me max.
DanielB: okay, thanks for the clarity! I will offer you max this round.
Bear changes share price from $14 to $15
DanielB buys share of Bear for $15
An-Jen T passes
DanielB passes
-- Round: 5 Phase: 4 (Determine New Player Order) --
New player order: Bryan Eastman, Eric H., DanielB, An-Jen T, Paul B
-- Round: 5 Phase: 5 (Foreign Investor Buys Companies) --
-- Round: 5 Phase: 6 (Corporations Buys Companies) --
Horse offers $5 for AKE
Horse passes
Saturn buys DSB for $26 from Bryan Eastman
Bear offers $27 for NS
Saturn passes
Bear buys NS for $27 from An-Jen T
Horse buys AKE for $5 from Eric H.
Bear buys WT for $11 from DanielB
Android passes
-- Round: 5 Phase: 7 (Close Companies) --
BME passes
BD passes
DSB passes
KME passes
OL passes
HE passes
PR passes
AKE passes
SX passes
BSE passes
MS passes
BPM passes
MHE passes
B passes
NS passes
WT passes
DR passes
SZD passes
-- Round: 5 Phase: 8 (Collect Income) --
Saturn collects $10 income
Bear collects $19 income
Horse collects $20 income
Android collects $18 income
Bryan Eastman collects $0 income
Eric H. collects $6 income
DanielB collects $0 income
An-Jen T collects $0 income
Paul B collects $12 income
Foreign Investor collects $8 income
-- Round: 5 Phase: 9 (Pay Dividends And Adjust Share Prices) --
Saturn pays $3 dividends - Bryan Eastman receives $3
Saturn changes share price from $16 to $14
DanielB: Eric, I can offer you $35 for DR if I withhold dividends in the next round. Do you want to do it? It means I won't get a third share. And with $18 and your position, Bear will go to $18, fall to $16 when I issue a share to buy DR. So it's likely you can buy a share at $18. Let me know if you want to sell DR - buying Bear share is entirely your choice, of course
DanielB: to be clear, the offer is to offer $35 in 6.6 for DR
Bryan Eastman: yes.... I'm sure Eric wants to give you $16 in synergy. At less than max, even.
Bryan Eastman: sorry, 16 income, 10 synergy
Eric H.: I'm not comitting to any deals until I see what Blues come out.
DanielB: Bryan, thanks for the sarcasm, always helpful... $1 less than max is hardly a BIG difference
DanielB: 2, companies are getting bought Eric, maybe three, in which case you will at most, only know one blue that is coming.... I have a decision to make here, $35 cold hard cash to go with your $18, that's $53, enough for half the blues... But an undervalued Bear, then sell it... I will pay dividends next turn, it promise it will make money, to get you up to $54 or problay $56... I'm not selling any bear shares, see the win0-win...let me know please
Bryan Eastman: I think Eric already said no
Eric H.: To be clear. I am collecting another full turns worth of income and I will see what Blues come out next turn. Even at Max DR is undervalued for the number of synergies it offers so I am going to collect another full turn of income.
Eric H.: I'm not giving up income to make a failed bet on the right Blue popping out. Been there done that, got the tee-shirt (DR)
Bear pays $3 dividends - DanielB receives $6
Bear changes share price from $15 to $16
Horse pays $0 dividends
Horse changes share price from $13 to $15
DanielB: Eric and An-jen - nice 1-2 punches... Paul's a run-away at this point...
DanielB: so An-jen, if you want, I can buy PKP and you can buy it from me, while buying yourself a green this turn...
Android pays $2 dividends - An-Jen T receives $4
Android changes share price from $11 to $12
Android changes share price from $12 to $13
-- Round: 5 Phase: 10 (Check Game End) --
-- Round: 6 Phase: 1 (Issue New Shares) --
Paul B: Daniel, With An-Jen in the lead and $8 separating 1-4, I'd say it's still anyone's game. Even though you exposed yourself to possible screwage again, odds probably still have you the favorite.
Bear passes
DanielB: nope - your Green income will separate you now...nothing more powerful than a cheap green... but i suppose i should hold my tongue, how'd i expose myself again?
DanielB: Brian, i've got $7 for BD if you are interested when we get to round 6....
DanielB: phase 6
Bryan Eastman: deal
Bryan Eastman: An-Jen are you interested in working out a deal that lets you get BR? Obviously I’d need serious sweeting.
Bryan Eastman: *sweetening
Horse passes
Eric H.: Tell my I should give a damn about WHO is in the lead.
Eric H.: It's never going to be me, so what do I care.
An-Jen T: I am open to a deal. What do you have in mind? As owners of soon to be obsolete companies, we need to stick together!
An-Jen T: Daniel, while I think it may well be the case that if YOU were in Paul's position, the game might be over, since the rest of us have not had enough experience with how to play the late mid and end game properly, Paul
An-Jen T: Sorry, exactly how to coordinate properly to take down the leader.
Paul B: Eric, you had a full range of options and chose the lowest yield yellow available. Then you chose to hold that low yield company for several turns. If you wanted to hold you should have chosen a high yield company. If you wanted to sell... well, buying a company to sell is probably a bad idea unless you have a plan for disposal.
An-Jen T: The problem with your latest offers/deals, at least to my mind, is that they put you in the position to overtake Paul, but are not of great
An-Jen T: advantage to the other party, at least in terms of relative value.
Paul B: I'm not suggesting that you should sell for less than max - DR is certainly worth max - it's just that this game is all about liquidity, and buying DR without a corporate partner killed your liquidity.
An-Jen T: Bryan, I am open to it going the other way, too if you have thoughts about how we might swing that..
Bryan Eastman: I've been trying to think of something that will work, and not coming up with anything solid. My thoughts: Daniel does not need PKP at 23; he already has two shares in the strongest corp. (after the new upkeep kicks in)
Bryan Eastman: I can block him by bidding 23 right away, but I don't have a great way out, and it means giving up a green for a while. Likewise, I can get BR by bidding 35 right off the bat, (probably my default option.)
Bryan Eastman: Paul is in good shape, but I don't see him doing much beyond sitting on his green for a couple turns.
Bryan Eastman: If I take PXP, then daniel has to either pass on a company this turn or sell a share, leaving Bear open to takeover. (and taking a big share price hit.)
Saturn passes
Bryan Eastman: Eric, I'd like to get you involved, but I don't really see how.
Bryan Eastman: Currently, the path I see is just buying BR and letting you deal with Daniel. But if you see something let me know.
Eric H.: I don't see anything. Paul, yes buying DR was a fatal mistake. It compounded the liquidity setback I suffered when I didn't get a cheap yellow and could get out of AKE.
Eric H.: There is no recovering from that and I am not inclined to waste a lot of mental energy on maintaining a last place position in this game.
Paul B: Mental energy spent on tactics to improve your current position will pay dividends next game.
DanielB: Eric. You are stubborn. You should have taken my $35 offer for DR
DanielB: An-jen. True. Shall I point out what mistake I think was just made by Paul? I guess it’s subtle but ties directly in to recent points made in the chat
Paul B: Daniel, I'd really like to know because I don't, and I'm pretty sure you're right. I think that you would have formed a corp with SZD and played with the 2 corporation dynamics to enhance the position. I didn't spend a ton of time trying to figure this out, but I couldn't work out a way to do better than my current path. Please hold the info for later if you don't want to give an advantage by telling, but I'm very interested to know.
Bryan Eastman: Eric really really should not sold to you Daniel. What you offered was all one sided. My offer the previous turn (possibly with further negotiations) was a much better play for Eric
Paul B: Daniel, it was close but I don't think floating another share would have been useful. There were just too many downside consequences (one of which was that it would have helped you by opening the $15 slot).
Android issues a share and receives $12
Android changes share price from $13 to $12
-- Round: 6 Phase: 2 (Form Corporations) --
SZD passes
An-Jen T: Brian, unfortunately I agree with your assessment. Obviously, I would be more than glad to agree to buy PKP from you this turn if you purchase it immediately, but that is almost certainly a worst outcome for you than buying BR for 35.
An-Jen T: Unless there is some reason you want lots of liquidity going into next turn ......
DR passes
-- Round: 6 Phase: 3 (Auctions And Share Trading) --
Bryan Eastman bids $35 for BR
Bryan Eastman buys BR for $35 from the bank
Bryan Eastman: Paul, does Horse want BME for $2?
Android changes share price from $12 to $13
Eric H. buys share of Android for $13
DanielB bids $23 for PKP
An-Jen T bids $24 for PKP
An-Jen T buys PKP for $24 from the bank
An-Jen T passes
Paul B: Bryan, No, but I'll give you $1 for it.
Eric H. passes
Bryan Eastman: How about $1 now, and if upkeep doesn't go up before round nine you give me a dollar on a future deal. Or $2 now, and if upkeep goes up before round 9, I owe you a future dollar?
Bear changes share price from $16 to $18
DanielB buys share of Bear for $18
An-Jen T passes
Paul B: Sounds complicated for $1
Eric H. passes
Bryan Eastman: My thinking is that BME is worth zero to me, but 2-4 for you, probably 3. I also think you're a bit in the lead. So, I'm not really excited about being on the lower end of a 1:2 split. $1 isn't enough that the loss I suffer from just closing it will hurt much. So if you want a dollar, you can have it, but not 2 (unless you can collect round 9 too.)
Eric H.: Is this the same person that offered me $26 for DR?
Eric H.: Sorry, I meant 33
Bryan Eastman: Yes Eric, on the turn you bought it. I was basically offering a flip deal to bail you out of the mistake of buying it in the first place. It would have slowed me down, but given me some value. It would have given you a green the next turn. It was an ok proposition for each of us.
Bryan Eastman: The reason you wanted to deal with me then, not the following turn with Daniel was precisely because it wasn't worth a ton to me. I didn't have the synergies to make a 50% return; I would get 25% and need either two turns to get my liquidity back, or issue another share and risk having my shiny new DR bought out without any return to me.
DanielB passes
-- Round: 6 Phase: 4 (Determine New Player Order) --
New player order: Paul B, An-Jen T, Eric H., DanielB, Bryan Eastman
-- Round: 6 Phase: 5 (Foreign Investor Buys Companies) --
-- Round: 6 Phase: 6 (Corporations Buys Companies) --
Bear offers $7 for BD
Android buys PKP for $29 from An-Jen T
Bear buys BD for $7 from Saturn
Saturn passes
DanielB: Eric, I can offer you $34 for DR next round, deal?
Paul B: I can offer $35.
Paul B: Never mind
Horse offers $1 for BME
Horse buys BME for $1 from Saturn
Eric H.: No deal.
DanielB: Is there a deal price?
Eric H.: No if you were serious you should have offered max and the. I would have thought about it. You should know by now how I feel about such low ball deals. DR even at full price has a 50% yield on its purchase price due to all of the synergies it would give your Corp
DanielB: I'm always serious Eric. I guess I just rub you the wrong way. I believe that the decay curve on a company is steeper than you believe it is. Obviously the DR is much more valuable to my position than it is to your position. Therefore, and equitable price is somewhere between its value to me, and it's value to you. From a cash perspective, DR to you is worth two more payouts and the value to go public, sell down, and issue dividends. For me, it's much higher...but you forego opportunity costs, therefore $34 and $35 bids are real and serious.
Eric H.: Your offer was too low, end of story. Why would you pay me less for a company that you would GLADLY buy from the foreign investor if it was available? Give me a break.
Horse passes
-- Round: 6 Phase: 7 (Close Companies) --
B passes
NS passes
WT passes
BD passes
KME passes
OL passes
HE passes
PR passes
AKE passes
BME passes
SX passes
BSE passes
MS passes
BPM passes
MHE passes
PKP passes
SZD passes
DR passes
BR passes
-- Round: 6 Phase: 8 (Collect Income) --
Bear collects $18 income
Horse collects $8 income
Saturn collects $6 income
Android collects $16 income
Paul B collects $12 income
An-Jen T collects $0 income
Eric H. collects $6 income
DanielB collects $0 income
Bryan Eastman collects $12 income
Foreign Investor collects $5 income
-- Round: 6 Phase: 9 (Pay Dividends And Adjust Share Prices) --
Bear pays $0 dividends
Bear changes share price from $18 to $20
Bear changes share price from $20 to $22
An-Jen T: Eric, can't do it this turn, but Android should be able to swing the funds to buy DR from you next. I would like to stay invested, but I am willing to yield control to you if that is to your liking......
Horse pays $0 dividends
Horse changes share price from $15 to $16
Horse changes share price from $16 to $18
Saturn pays $1 dividends - Bryan Eastman receives $1
Saturn changes share price from $14 to $12
Android pays $0 dividends
Android changes share price from $13 to $14
Android changes share price from $14 to $15
-- Round: 6 Phase: 10 (Check Game End) --
-- Round: 7 Phase: 1 (Issue New Shares) --
Bryan Eastman: Daniel, I think one of the key points your analysis misses is that the "equitable" price also depends on game position. While deals should (in the abstract) fall between the values to the respective players, they should fall closer to the end of the range for the player who is behind. The bigger the gap between players the further towards the benefit of the trailing player.
Bryan Eastman: There is also the how badly do each player need the deal, which is really the part where you think you can stick it to Eric. You think he needs to divest, so you think you can get a discount. Might be true, but it's not at all a question of "equitableness"
DanielB: Bryan, I concur in your assessment of the first post. However, it is ideally posited.Ideally "the further the benefit of the trailing player"... However, the trailing player typically needs the deal MORE. However, in this particular case, both Eric and I need the deal quite a lot. Perhaps he more than I. But $1 or $2 hardly qualifies as "sticking it" to the trailing player... Eric's obstinance heretodate has become a real problem in the game flow, and I'm honestly not quite sure how to respond. If it were face to face I would be able to understand him better. In this "online" arena, I most certainly don't "know by now", how he can consistently eschew his better choices... I don't remember all of the details, and frankly, at times, I mix up remembering the responses of Bryan from the Response of Eric... And in addition, there is an unbelievable amount of chatter about the value of reds and oranges in very late game phases....
Bear issues a share and receives $20
Bear changes share price from $22 to $20
DanielB: I've maximized cash for Bear as a logical response to proposals here to date. The game state is such that Paul's lead is increasing as expected, though not as much as I feared because he did not issue a horse share last round and buy in SZD for $41 as he could have....(and leaving him with $53 now)...An-Jen's position is solid, and Bryan's has some issues, though the green will help...If Bryan and I do a deal, we move together in the middle pac with Bryan I think, with Paul and An-jen still out in front a bit...
DanielB: I meant, If "Eric and I" do a deal
DanielB: Ah... An-jen getting the cheap green helps him quite a lot
Bryan Eastman: I think the analysis you are sharing is deeply flawed. If paul had issued another share, bought in SZD, then wouldn't he have to buy at least one more horse share probably 2 to keep you and/or An-Jen from snarfling up horse and stealing it's assets?
Bryan Eastman: Your analysis of the relative positions of players is also confusing to me. Bear looks by far the healthiest of the corps, and you have an outright majority of it. Paul and I (and soon An-Jen I assume) have solid personal assests, but our corp sides are iffy. I agree Eric is in a tough spot, but I don't see how doubling Bear's income puts you in the "middle of the pack" as opposed to far out in front.
DanielB: Bryan, Bear looks golden, for the moment. But those extra shares I have are a noose around my neck. When the next phase hits, bears income is eviscerated. $-24 If I get DR, -$18 without. While other folks are have heathy private companies. This is not version2. .
DanielB: Bryan. If you withhold and issue next round and have Saturn buy in BR (for about $42) you will have $71 cash going in to round 9
An-Jen T: Eric, my apologies ahead of time for chatting about you as if you weren't in the room .....
DanielB: Not a bad position and very likely as good a position as mine. Even with dr.
An-Jen T: Personally, I get the feeling that Eric may be playing a meta game of sorts, where he is trying to establish a reputation for being a tough/crazy bargainer who refuses to accept "bad" deals, or at least deals that he perceives as being unfair to him.
An-Jen T: Even if it may well be in his short term interest. One thing I have noticed is that he values "old" corps much more than I do. At this point my rule of thumb for red/orange/yellow is pretty much what the total positive cashflow is expected to be minus a bit for discounting. I don't take "salvage" value into account at all. For one, I'm not sure I know how to predict what might happen once the cash flow goes negative, so I basically take the worse case and assume I have to shut down.
An-Jen T: That, frankly, is why I only offered him $4 for AKE, it was, based on my calculations, halfway between my conservative estimate of its value to me and its value to him. But I pretty much knew he wouldn't agree and that even if Paul had not stepped in, he would not have been willing to take the deal.
Eric H.: Cash flow is one thing, synergies that support existing book value and further share jumps is another is another.. you offered me $4 because Paul declared that Horse would not be buying AKE and you figured you had me over a barrel.
An-Jen T: Eric, my valuation did include the synergies. It's a red for god sakes, the cashflow was $4 on the first turn, then drops to $2 for ~ 2 turns, then evaporates. I valued that at $7. Halfway between$7 and $1 for you is $4. Agreed I calculated this based it being solely a two way negotiation between us and I took the chance that Paul had something better to do with his money, but it is simply not as one sided as you seem to believe.....
Eric H.: Income is not the only factor in invaluation. So is book value. You were.offering me $2 under book value. By your logic the fair value was $5.
An-Jen T: Sorry, I think I misunderstood what you were saying.... I'll be honest, though, I put 0 on "support existing book value and further share jumps" because I don't quite know how to value that and is of dubious value regardless for something that is likely to be shut down before the end of the game.
DanielB: My offer of $35 for DR would have Eric with a share of Bear now and about $38 cash. It was anything but a low-ball bid.
Eric H.: You would have bought it for $36 if it was owned by the foreign investor. You berate me for quibbling over. A dollar for a stinking red with $3 in synergies yet you quibble over $2 for a company that will give you at LAST $12 I synergies and possibly more with Blues.
Eric H.: Atbleast
Eric H.: it doesn't ,after Paul owns AKE now. He may even be willing to part with it for $3. I know that you won't make an offer for it because that would be a worse deal for you than having bought it from me for $5 two turns ago.
Eric H.: It doesn't matter
DanielB: I could only get to $35 last turn Eric. It was the most cash I could have. You should have seen that. If you cared to look instead of screaming "low-ball"...
DanielB: I can't believe the amount of energy you spend worrying about 2, 3, $4 valuations Eric, but not $34, $35, $37, $40, $53 opportunities....
Eric H.: Daniel you are full of it. You offer to buy DR was for $34 THIS round. Quoted in Round: 6 Phase: 6 "Eric, I can offer you $34 for DR next round, deal?" Don't re-write history. You have $38 in Bear's treasury now.
Eric H.: And if DR was owned by the FI you would buy it now, no question.
An-Jen T: Eric, I won't make an offer to Paul because at $3 min, my profit estimate is $1. Not worth entertaining. Has nothing to do with the deal last turn. The one thing I appreciate, both in games and in real life, is the sunk cost fallacy.
An-Jen T: I should add however that I would most likely accepted your counter of 4, I was not paying close attention to the message traffic at the time and Paul jumped on it.
An-Jen T: counter of 5 that is.... Any way sorry for bringing all this up again. I WI
An-Jen T: Will shut up now. Btw, are you planning to dispose of DR before the 8.6? If not, is my earlier proposal on Android buying DR of interest.
DanielB: I offered you $35 the previous round. I had $19 cash, I could issue a share for $16. You declined. So I paid dividends and ended up at $16, and bought a share of Bear for $18. That $35 I offered you you declined. Then, in 6.8 I offered you $34. You declined. I subsequently declined to pay dividends and issued a share, bring my cash to $38 instead of $34, so that I can offer your beloved "MAX" this round. I am not "full" of it
Eric H.: An-Jen you can't' buy Android without issuing a share and eroding the value of my share of Bear. What guarantees can you offer to protect the value of my share. You are going to have to guy Bear soon and I am not going to take a hit on that.
Eric H.: Gut Bear.
An-Jen T: Actually to pay you full value for DR, I have to issue a share so there is no getting around that. I am also willing to yield control to you so that you can manage the gutting AND control the benefits of DR in the medium run.
An-Jen T: Just an offer, if you have a better idea, I am all ears. Regardless, a share is getting issued this turn.
DanielB: Another Corp bites the dust!
Eric H.: I have to assume that you are issuing a share AND selling down before I get a chance to dump my share. You have given me no reason to sell you DR.
An-Jen T: So the share is getting issued (unless we come up witp
An-Jen T: With som other arrangement.
Eric H.: I will only sell you DR if I can dump my share of Android at $13 and get out. I have no interest in running Bear.
An-Jen T: As for selling of shsres
Eric H.: You don
DanielB: Eric, To be clear Bear is offering you Max for DR this turn
Eric H.: Sorry I meant I have no interest in running Orion.
Eric H.: I will sell to Orion for Max on the condition that I can liquidate my Android share,
Eric H.: Otherwise I sell to Bear to DR for Max, and dump my Orion share making it easier to Daniel to take Orion over as a VERY tasty morsel.
An-Jen T: Got it. Just to make sure, you are offering to sell me (Android) DR for max on 8.6 IF I allow you to sell your share of Android first during round 7?
Eric H.: You said you were issuing a share NOW to buy. Either you are going to use that money to buy DR this turn or you are going to use it to slip another company. Which is it?
Eric H.: flip not slip.
An-Jen T: I thought you understood. Android only has 16 right now. If I issue a share I can only get to 30. If you
Eric H.: I minsunderstood then.
An-Jen T: Look at what i wrote earlier my offer was contigent on you not wanting to sell DR on turn 7. Obviously
An-Jen T: If you wish to do so, Paul and Daniel are your options, though if I were you, I would try to squeeze some other concession from them in addition to max.
An-Jen T: Both Bryan and I think you deserve much more .... ;-)
Eric H.: OK, here is the deal, you buy Android for $16, let me dump for $15 this turn and DR is yours next turn for Max. You are the only one with cash during the auction phase so it deson;t keep you from getting anything at cost.
An-Jen T: No thanks. Best I can do is to agree to not sell a share of Android during the first round.
Eric H.: Do what you will then.
Eric H.: Paul you have right of first refusal on DR for MAX this turn. Otherwise it goes to Daniel.
An-Jen T: Paul, I was wondering if you might be interested in a merger of Horse and Android. One of us would control both, allowing the other to exit both corps.
Bryan Eastman: I’m also willing to entertain offers for DSB which would be much better for a merged horsroid/androrse
Paul B: Wow! I've been away from the computer all day. That's a lot to digest.
Horse issues a share and receives $16
Horse changes share price from $18 to $16
Paul B: Just a couple comments related to the chat. Daniel, you said that you felt that I should have issued a share last turn. I thought about it for a while, but there were 3 negative consequences: 1. You would have been able to sell for 16 rather than 12 if you decided to sell a share, so you would have more options. 2. My share price would drop to $12 and leave me in penny stock territory for several turns limiting my ability to raise capital. 3. I would have had to sell SZD for less than max. Given how much yield it produces I had no particular interest in dumping it (even to myself). 4. I would have cash now when SJ is the only thing of interest available. It was possible we might have also gotten RENFE 5. Waiting slowed the game which was also in my interest. 6. As Bryan pointed out, Horse would have been more open to takeover. I admit, this wasn't much of a consideration, but it throws in an element of unpredictability and could be inconvenient.
Paul B: So, that's lots of reasons you might be wrong. The biggest reasons that you might be right are two that Eric has been under-rating 1. Time value of money - a dollar now is worth much more than a dollar next turn. 2. Liquidity is king.
Paul B: We haven't had a ton of opportunity to interact, but one thing that I've noticed and that it might be useful for you to consider is that it sometimes appears that your analysis is colored by how a move impacted you. I think that you were unhappy when I didn't vacate the $16 share spot, and that pushed you to judge that my move was suboptimal.
Android issues a share and receives $14
Android changes share price from $15 to $14
Saturn passes
-- Round: 7 Phase: 2 (Form Corporations) --
BR passes
SZD passes
DanielB: Paul. Your points have a lot of merit. It wasn’t that much of a no-brainer, I grant you that. When you are in the lead many decisions such as that one aren’t critical. An Jen. Could be formidable however. A lot of game left in this one. I’m just hoping Bryan and Eric don’t fall over the cliffs.
DanielB: And me. Bryan’s okay I think. For now.
Bryan Eastman: Hard to fall off a cliff for the next couple turns. Just need to avoid lighting myself on fire. Make no promises beyond round 10 though. :)
Paul B: Okay, Eric, if the offer is still open, I'll buy DR for $36 this turn.
DanielB: Why did I say anything when he was floating DR. It’s hard to make progress when 4 people are shooting at you. Paul certainly needs some help Eric. Prediction. He will finish $150 ahead of you
Paul B: An-Jen, You mentioned the possibility of merging Horse and Android. I am open to selling you Horse Corp. If you were to purchase two shares I would sell a share and let you sell down to one share (probably better to keep both, though). The combo would be quite powerful. This is not a firm offer of a deal this is opening dialogue to see if you are interested.
Bryan Eastman: So you get SJ as well as SZD? Or are you thinking next turn?
An-Jen T: U
An-Jen T: Paul, let's wait a bit and revisit near end of the turn.
DR passes
-- Round: 7 Phase: 3 (Auctions And Share Trading) --
Paul B passes
Android changes share price from $14 to $13
An-Jen T sells share of Android for $13
Eric H.: So, it looks like AnJen wants to make me president of Android. I am not selling DR this turn after all. I will have Android buy it next turn.
Eric H. passes
DanielB passes
Bryan Eastman passes
Paul B passes
DanielB: Amazing, no-oine competes with An-Jen for the cheap SZ...one of us, probably me, is doing something wrong...
An-Jen T bids $30 for SJ
An-Jen T buys SJ for $30 from the bank
Android changes share price from $13 to $11
Eric H. sells share of Android for $11
Eric H.: I'm just mad about MAD. DR is back up for sale.
Eric H.: Make your offers
DanielB: will do....
DanielB passes
Saturn changes share price from $12 to $13
Bryan Eastman buys share of Saturn for $13
Paul B passes
Android changes share price from $11 to $12
An-Jen T buys share of Android for $12
An-Jen T: Hey, made a buck!
Eric H. passes
DanielB passes
Bryan Eastman passes
Android changes share price from $12 to $14
Paul B buys share of Android for $14
An-Jen T passes
Eric H. passes
DanielB passes
Bryan Eastman passes
Paul B passes
-- Round: 7 Phase: 4 (Determine New Player Order) --
New player order: Eric H., An-Jen T, Paul B, DanielB, Bryan Eastman
-- Round: 7 Phase: 5 (Foreign Investor Buys Companies) --
Foreign Investor buys SBB for $26 from the bank
-- Round: 7 Phase: 6 (Corporations Buys Companies) --
Bear offers $36 for DR
Horse offers $36 for DR
Bryan Eastman: DSB is for sale if anyone wants it
Paul B: Bryan, your corp can't sell it's only company, so you'll need to buy something first (or find a buyer for Saturn, instead).
Bryan Eastman: right; any deal would mean me buying something first; probably to give back next turn, after I bought in BR.
DanielB: Eric, all I can say about the pending deal, is that Paul's game position is superior to mine...
Bryan Eastman: Daniel, I think you're the only one who believes that.
An-Jen T: Daniel, I have to agree with Bryan. We may as well stop the game now if you get DR.
An-Jen T: Evan without it, E and HA have popped up and I have a feeling who ever buys them will not be able to resist selling to you....
Eric H.: Daniel your company gets way more income with less share dilution and synergies with less obsolete companies from DR. That makes it way too powerful for you. It goes to Paul.
Horse buys DR for $36 from Eric H.
DanielB: You guys overvalue yellows
DanielB: I get it, if everyone plays against Daniel, things will work out better...
DanielB: If I'd known that the solidarity would continue, even after 3 players have greens and I don't, I would have made many different decisions, and my position would be measurably better
Saturn passes
Bear passes
Horse passes
Android offers $3 for AKE
Android buys AKE for $3 from Horse
Eric H.: An-Jen, now the math works for AKE? REALLY?
An-Jen T: Eric, can you blame me for trying to drive a hard bargain, I already told I would have taken your offer of 5 if I saw it in time, but Paul jumped on it.....
Android passes
-- Round: 7 Phase: 7 (Close Companies) --
B passes
NS passes
WT passes
BD passes
KME passes
OL passes
HE passes
PR passes
BME passes
DR passes
SX passes
BSE passes
MS passes
BPM passes
MHE passes
PKP passes
AKE passes
SJ passes
SZD passes
BR passes
-- Round: 7 Phase: 8 (Collect Income) --
Bear collects $18 income
Horse collects $19 income
Android collects $18 income
Saturn collects $6 income
Eric H. collects $0 income
An-Jen T collects $12 income
Paul B collects $12 income
DanielB collects $0 income
Bryan Eastman collects $12 income
Foreign Investor collects $11 income
-- Round: 7 Phase: 9 (Pay Dividends And Adjust Share Prices) --
Bear pays $2 dividends - DanielB receives $6
Bear changes share price from $20 to $22
Bear changes share price from $22 to $24
Eric H.: Round 7, Phase 1 chat quote: "An-Jen T: Eric, I won't make an offer to Paul because at $3 min, my profit estimate is $1. Not worth entertaining. Has nothing to do with the deal last turn"
An-Jen T: good point. what can I say, changed my mind. still has nothing to do with last turn.
Horse pays $0 dividends
Horse changes share price from $16 to $18
Horse changes share price from $18 to $20
Android pays $0 dividends
Android changes share price from $14 to $15
Android changes share price from $15 to $16
Android passes
Saturn pays $0 dividends
Saturn changes share price from $13 to $14
Saturn changes share price from $14 to $15
Saturn passes
-- Round: 7 Phase: 10 (Check Game End) --
-- Round: 8 Phase: 1 (Issue New Shares) --
Bear passes
Horse issues a share and receives $18
Horse changes share price from $20 to $18
Android issues a share and receives $14
Android changes share price from $16 to $14
Paul B: An-Jen, that was unexpected. Why would you issue a share. Android had enough cash to buy SJ for the max.
Paul B: By the way, I have no hostile intent with my ownership stake. Android just appeared to be the best available short term investment. Of course, much of that assessment was based on you having no need to issue more shares.
Saturn issues a share and receives $13
Saturn changes share price from $15 to $13
-- Round: 8 Phase: 2 (Form Corporations) --
BR passes
SZD passes
SJ passes
-- Round: 8 Phase: 3 (Auctions And Share Trading) --
An-Jen T: Paul, understood. I guess from my perspective, I was not planning to sell my shares this turn, so it was not too big a deal to take the price drop. While I am not likely to need the money this turn, I might in the future...
Paul B: Yes, but the share price is going up. If cash isn't neede now better to issue for a higher price later.
An-Jen T: maybe, but you can only issue one share a turn.
An-Jen T: and when you need the money.......
Eric H. bids $47 for HA
Eric H. buys HA for $47 from the bank
Eric H.: If you wondering, the $2 difference makes no difference to me but owning gives me some negotiating leverage. If not, who cares. It is a Blue and will never stop earning me money.
An-Jen T passes
Paul B passes
Bear changes share price from $24 to $22
DanielB sells share of Bear for $22
Bryan Eastman passes
An-Jen T passes
Paul B passes
Bear changes share price from $22 to $20
DanielB sells share of Bear for $20
Saturn changes share price from $13 to $15
Bryan Eastman buys share of Saturn for $15
Bryan Eastman: Anyone interested in BR for 46?
An-Jen T passes
Eric H.: That's quite the steal you are offering there Brian. Max for an unsynergized Green right into your pocket. Not sure why you aren't getting any nibbles there.
Eric H.: Anyone want to buy a hubcap for 78 Impala? 20 bucks, firm.
Bryan Eastman: Shrug. Thought I’d put it out there. Not really expecting excitement, but there is a lot of corporate money
Bryan Eastman: Around this turn and a limited supply of things to buy.
Bryan Eastman: It also opens up some short term profit if someone wanted the last share of Saturn; if I don’t spend that money on my green, I’ll dividend max. Won’t be a huge payday, but it’s money for nothing.
DanielB: Step right UP, Step Right UP! I know an excellent corporations, lightly diluted, with 40 smackers that is sure to jump at your offer Bryan. What the heck, you've already gone all-in with her...
Eric H.: Bryan you own 3/4 of the shares. Sell FS to yourself for $40, dividend The max that still gets you a double jump and start selling down next turn.
Paul B: I considered a share of Saturn last turn, but I have to say that your management style has been a little peculiar. I judged that An-Jen would be a more reliable partner, but that judgement appears to have been questionable.
Paul B passes
Bryan Eastman: If you have questions, about my management decisions, feel free to ask. My department of prospective investor propaganda (DPIP) will be happy to assist you.
DanielB bids $45 for MAD
DanielB buys MAD for $45 from the bank
Bryan Eastman passes
An-Jen T passes
Paul B passes
-- Round: 8 Phase: 4 (Determine New Player Order) --
New player order: An-Jen T, Paul B, Eric H., DanielB, Bryan Eastman
-- Round: 8 Phase: 5 (Foreign Investor Buys Companies) --
-- Round: 8 Phase: 6 (Corporations Buys Companies) --
Horse buys SZD for $43 from Paul B
Saturn buys BR for $40 from Bryan Eastman
Android buys SJ for $42 from An-Jen T
Eric H.: Brian I believe selling BR for $39 would have worked out better for you.
Eric H.: You would have netted 2 more dollars in dividends.
Bear offers $30 for DR
Horse declines to sell DR to Bear for $30
Horse passes
Paul B: Daniel, let's take a look at the value of DR, and for the purpose of this appraisal we'll assume that we are one turn from now and that cost of ownership has increased. Let's say that 25% is a reasonable return. DR provides me with $6, so it's worth roughly $24 to me. DR offers you $12/turn, so it's worth $48 to you. Now, there are further upkeep costs that provide a negative factor; however, there is this turn's income which is a plus and additional synergies which are another plus. Furthermore, having DR allows me to keep (and would allow you to keep) your oranges open for business. Putting this all together I think will allow you to see why your offer was not quite market-rate. Should you wish to increase it to $36 the board of Horse would add it to our agenda as a point of discussion.
DanielB: Driving a hard-bargain.... here you go Paul, meeting you 83% of the way, helping the leader this much, i may well regret this....but it seems fun to try also....
Android offers $10 for DSB
Bear offers $35 for DR
Saturn declines to sell DSB to Android for $10
Bryan Eastman: I'm open to talks, but selling this round for so much less than face would be a huge stock price hit, and I'm thikning I may need to sell a share next round.
DanielB: I overbid, should have bid $33....damn...
Eric H.: Everyone gets one mulligan.
Paul B: That's okay. I'll take you off the hook by declining.
Horse declines to sell DR to Bear for $35
Paul B: Eric, that was a negotiating tactic. He did not actually feel he had made an error.
Eric H.: Yeah, I figured that. I wanted to see if he would invoke the mulligan.
Android passes
DanielB: not true... i end up $2 short of buying in for max... so please, feel free to decline if you are on the fence...
Eric H.: I don't understand An-Jen offering so far below book value for DSB. Why would you think anyone would take that deal? DSB will not actually start losing money until the last Purple sells.
DanielB: Eric, it was simply a lowball offer... I could see the logic to selling below par now, though minimum bid seems a too low, certainly....$14-17 seems like a reasonable bid..
Eric H.: How do you figure? It is worth $20 in book to Brian, $26 in book and income to An-Jen. A fair split is $23, particularly as the synergy income for An-Jen may last 2 or 3 turns.
Eric H.: Anythin less than Book kills Brian's stock price when he is trying to sell down his shares.
DanielB: Eric, book value is not cash...several of the yellow companies will not make it to the end game, therefore book value, just like in real life, is not necessarily realizable to get to cash
DanielB: i agree in Bryan's situation it is ludicrous to sell DSB now.. he needs to liquidate Saturns at the best possible price. But i've seen in past games, he is wedded to his company, even if it's a dying one, and Saturn's prospects are exceedingly dim....
Eric H.: Book value supports his stock price. He need to dividend and get out of the stock.
Eric H.: I guess my point is why waste people's time with these patently ridiculous low ball offers that anyone can see are not in the interest of the person getting the offer.
Eric H.: No one here is stupid. Just start with a reasonable offer and work your way from there.
DanielB: well, steal's happen... Bryan has not shown himself impervious to poor choices (is that fair Brian?)
DanielB: An-Jen, I agree with $17 cash, and a $2 synergy, a $10 bid was particular poor, but you'll have to ask him why he went so low... especially since Brian's situation needs to get to $64 book value and needs to dividend, anythling less than $21 seems like a mistake,
Eric H.: Daniel, that's not fair to Bryan. You can't really speak of past game(s). Last game was his FIRST game. This is a tough game for first time players.
An-Jen T: It is a low ball offer, but as Daniel says, stuff happens, maybe he needs the money to make a move, maybe it starts a discussion to get to a price. It is not that much effort for him to click no. And you are nuts if you think a fair offer is $23.
DanielB: Eric - Acknowledged!
DanielB: An-Jen, agreed - even $21 seems high, but it's a price that would be good for Bryan, as it pushes up his BV to $72, he could dividend $2 a share, and still rise to $18, then sell down....
DanielB: Anything less doesn't help him, anything under $21 is a neutral deal for his position...
DanielB: $17 seems fair, but it doesn't help him...
Bear passes
-- Round: 8 Phase: 7 (Close Companies) --
B passes
NS passes
WT passes
BD passes
KME passes
OL passes
HE passes
PR passes
BME passes
DR passes
SZD passes
SX passes
BSE passes
MS passes
BPM passes
MHE passes
PKP passes
AKE passes
SJ passes
DSB passes
BR passes
HA passes
MAD passes
-- Round: 8 Phase: 8 (Collect Income) --
Bear collects $18 income
Horse collects $31 income
Saturn collects $18 income
Android collects $30 income
An-Jen T collects $0 income
Paul B collects $0 income
Eric H. collects $15 income
DanielB collects $15 income
Bryan Eastman collects $0 income
Foreign Investor collects $11 income
-- Round: 8 Phase: 9 (Pay Dividends And Adjust Share Prices) --
Bear pays $0 dividends
Bear changes share price from $20 to $22
Bear changes share price from $22 to $24
Horse pays $0 dividends
Horse changes share price from $18 to $20
Horse changes share price from $20 to $22
Saturn pays $1 dividends - Bryan Eastman receives $3
Saturn changes share price from $15 to $16
Saturn changes share price from $16 to $18
Android pays $0 dividends
Android changes share price from $14 to $15
Android changes share price from $15 to $16
Android passes
-- Round: 8 Phase: 10 (Check Game End) --
-- Round: 9 Phase: 1 (Issue New Shares) --
Bear issues a share and receives $20
Bear changes share price from $24 to $20
Horse passes
Saturn issues a share and receives $15
Saturn changes share price from $18 to $15
Android issues a share and receives $14
Android changes share price from $16 to $14
-- Round: 9 Phase: 2 (Form Corporations) --
Eric H.: I am entertaining floating HA but only if I can get a good deal on some company assets. Anyone interested in selling off assets? Since I am last place there is nothing to fear from dealing with me.
An-Jen T: Eric, I am always willing to entertain acquisitions. I don't have anything that synergizes with HA, but if there is anything that you might want to acquire, let me know.
Bryan Eastman: I’d be willing to buy E and flip it to you if we can aggree on a price.
Eric H.: Really,, because of the synergies the only person to deal with here would be Daniel. I don't think you guys would be willing to discount enough to make it worth my while. An-Jen goes first so he could buy a share of my new corp and work with me to GUT Android.
DanielB: Eric, I'll consider buying HA from you with Bear.... you've got the cash for a bear share, it could be a good thing... though I'd like to see how the stock round plays out before committing. I'm just saying, I doubt that floating HA really works in your interest....You've jacked me all game, so it's not likely i'm overly inclined to work with you, but the past is the past, and I believe in operating in the present and the future
Eric H.: OK, you don't want me to float HA. Can anyone else to offer me a deal where it makes sense for me to float HA? I'll give it a couple of hours and pass on floating if I don't hear anything.
Paul B: I have nothing to add to the conversation, but if you do decide to to form a corp I have some truly excellent red and orange companies that I might be persuaded to part with (for the right price, of course).
Paul B: I don't see how forming a corp would benefit you, but I don't care either way.
Eric H.: Red and Oranges alone, no thanks.
HA passes
MAD passes
-- Round: 9 Phase: 3 (Auctions And Share Trading) --
An-Jen T bids $40 for BSR
Paul B leaves auction
Bryan Eastman: An-Jen, I was thinking about buying BSR. Obviously you can outbid me, but that's just wasting money; Do you want to negotiate a deal for DSB so you don't have to overpay for BSR?
DanielB: Brian, why not get yourself a Blue... then An-Jen can buy the DSB from you anyway...Blues are better than Green and it only costs you 1 share
DanielB: it might not get you back but it will bring you closer to the pack and then some...IMO,
DanielB: of course price enforcing is always welcome
DanielB: but i'm afraid that will help an-jen more than you
An-Jen T: Bryan, I would consider it at some point, but I cannot commit to buying DSB this turn.
Bryan Eastman: my thinking is that with a synergy, the greens are worth 14, which is close to 15, but are 10-15 cheaper. I don't have any synergies with the blues available but there are 2 greens that I do.
Bryan Eastman bids $41 for BSR
An-Jen T bids $42 for BSR
Bryan Eastman bids $44 for BSR
An-Jen T leaves auction
Bryan Eastman buys BSR for $44 from the bank
DanielB: Bryan, I see your point, greens will likely be without maintainance for 3 more times...plus synergies... though i still like the idea of blue for you... just my perspective...but this is your call with An-Jen!
An-Jen T: Oh well, I am a little surprised you were willing to go to 44 with E at 43 ....
DanielB: I could see $41, but not $43 or $44. It's probably only two more times and you only get the synergies and maintainance free one-time... sigh, woulda been nice if An-Jen had ended up with it at $42....
Paul B bids $49 for HR
DanielB: Purchaser of HR, happy to sell B and Ns for something between face and min.
DanielB: Paul, I'd sell all 4 companies to horse for your $44 - they'd give Horse $30 of extra synergies when combined with HR
An-Jen T bids $50 for HR
Paul B bids $51 for HR
An-Jen T bids $52 for HR
DanielB: Ice action
DanielB: Nice
Paul B leaves auction
An-Jen T buys HR for $52 from the bank
Paul B: Daniel, Could I interest you (Bear Corp) in E for $58?
DanielB: Paul. Nope. It is a shame u didn’t sell me dr last turn. So much synergistic missed opportunity. I will sell to u Ns and b however
DanielB: In fact. I may be mutually beneficial. I’ll trade u Ns and b for szd at min prices. $11 each for a $18 szd.
DanielB: I mean $20 $18 seems too cheap
Saturn changes share price from $15 to $16
Eric H. buys share of Saturn for $16
DanielB passes
Bryan Eastman passes
Bryan Eastman: Welcome aboard Eric!
An-Jen T passes
Paul B: Daniel, hypothetically speaking, would you be willing to make the same deal if the company that I were to provide would be SJ?
Paul B: An-Jen, I have something that I'm considering, but I would need your cooperation. It will certainly make you lots of money. I'm thinking about purchasing Android. I would buy 3 additional shares and move assets to it from Horse. This will double the value of your Android shares by the end of this turn with more increase to follow. In order to make everything work I would need your agreement not to sell Android until I do. There will be opportunities that will make selling attractive, but this deal will make you a lot of money if you agree. In fact, the deal may be better for you than for me in that you have a personal company and the ability to generate individual cash. I may dividend Android, but I will make no promises about that at this point. With 9 shares issued, pushing Android into the stratisphere will take some heavy lifting.
DanielB: Paul - Yes, I'd make the same type deal with
DanielB: SJ
DanielB: Though Paul, I can't say I"m too excited about the prospect of your takeover of Android unless you are also buying a company....hmm. B and NS just increased in value with the absence of LHR and FRA....if you re buying E and taking over Android, that's pretty interesting....and possible if takeover is done first....
DanielB: does anyone remember my lamenting about Paul's significant lead? Take a look at Net Worth now to see what I was alluding to....Bryan's position is currently artificially boosted unfortunately....An-Jen could be set back a bit w/ overpay for HR and possible loss of Android.... my position with getting MAD is a bit improved...I've still got a shot to gain on Paul...
DanielB: BSR looking ever so much more valuable with all synergies in the game except RU/AL unknowns..., whereas LHR and SNCF missing from E...good for Bryan.... I"m not really feeling the need to buy any shares, anyone else want to go on autopass and let Paul and An-jen figure it out?
Paul B: Daniel, if An-Jen does this deal I would give up getting a company (certainly this turn and probably next turn). If An-Jen wants to sell out maybe he and I could do a different deal (which would probably be better for me).
DanielB: Paul, why? if you buy an android share for $15, another for $18, sell for $15, that leaves you $47 and two shares of Android, buy E for $43, but it in for $58, buy ns/b from me next turn, or something like that! or even sell android down to 1 share and buy CDG!
Bryan Eastman: and you think android's assets are worth more than the $84 in cash that bear has?
An-Jen T: Paul I am a little unclear about what the requirements of the deal is. Could you spell it out again? If it matters, I am in agreement that our assets should be merged.
An-Jen T: BTW, I am sure you see it as well, but Daniel is trying remarkably hard to get you to buy a company this turn. I wonder if he has any ulterior motives?
Eric H.: We all know he can get enough cash together to buy a Purple worth up to $90 next turn.
DanielB: Hey Paul, you are in the lead, do whatever you want. You are the only one not making $15 a round!
Paul B: An-Jen, so here is what I'm proposing: I will buy 3 additional shares of Android and have android guy Horse. For your part, I need your agreement to not sell a share of Android before I do or before I release you from the obligation. Do you agree?
An-Jen T: yes
Eric H.: To speed up the game I am willing to auto-pass provided no one buys or sells any shares of Saturn. Does everyone agree?
Bryan Eastman: Sure
Paul B: Sure
Android changes share price from $14 to $15
Paul B buys share of Android for $15
DanielB: Eric. I’m not buying any Saturn
Eric H. passes
Android changes share price from $15 to $18
DanielB buys share of Android for $18
Bryan Eastman passes
An-Jen T passes
Paul B: It looks like Daniel has decided to force me to be more rational
Android changes share price from $18 to $15
Paul B sells share of Android for $15
Eric H. passes
An-Jen T: The plot thickens..... I don't suppose you might want to take over Bear instead?
Android changes share price from $15 to $14
DanielB sells share of Android for $14
Bryan Eastman passes
DanielB: Ouch
Paul B: Well, it makes me feel better that Daniel seems to think my plan would have worked.
DanielB: I wouldn’t have gone that far. I should have just stood aside and let you hang yourself
DanielB: It might have worked okay though it seems likely you and Annje n. Would have hurt each other.
DanielB: I regret intervening
DanielB: It was cool. I’d almost propose we roll back. But that seems wrong too...
Paul B: An-Jen, taking over Bear would help Daniel More than it would help me. If we were playing in real life there is probably a deal to be made there, but online - especially after I've already wasted lots of everyone's time - it seems impractical.
Paul B: I'm sure we could also agree to reinstitute our deal, but it probably was always too risky. I'll just buy CDG and end this phase.
An-Jen T: It's up to you, but I think the deal should still continue, now that he's sold. It is obviously in my interest for you to continue with the plan, even better now that Daniel is $4 poorer. Anyway, think about it. My opinion is that it letting Daniel get the first purple next turn is a bigger risk for you.
An-Jen T passes
An-Jen T: I might add the notion that Paul and I would have hurt each other makes little sense. The point of the matter is that as the holders of all the obsolete companies, it makes perfect sense for us to combine them in some fashion.
An-Jen T: You only live once!
Eric H.: Weird, I set auto-pass for the phase.
Eric H.: Oh, never mind I see Paul is up.
Paul B bids $56 for CDG
Paul B buys CDG for $56 from the bank
Eric H. passes
Bryan Eastman: Do it again! That was fun. :P
Paul B: Sorry, I realize that these deal attempts are torture for everyone not involved (and occasionally for those who are).
DanielB passes
Bryan Eastman passes
Paul B: An-Jen and Daniel I have a proposed 3-way deal for 9.6. An-Jen buys SZD from me for 26. Daniel buys SJ from An-Jen for $20 and I buy Daniel's 2 yellows for $11 each.
DanielB: Works for me
Eric H.: You know this is not a CO-OP game right? Someone is going to end up with a steak knife in their back.
Eric H.: How did you work this3 way deal outside of chat anyway?
Paul B: No outside conversation was involved. It is just a proposal based on the deal that Daniel had suggested. Since SJ and SZD are baically the same for Daniel's purposes it made sense to maximize everyones value by bringing An-Jen into it
Paul B: It might be useful to exchange contact info to expedite some deal-making. Of course, we would need to set parameter about whether and how agreements need to be communicated. Obviously, any change would not be for this game but for the next one..
Eric H.: I don't think deal making should be done via private channels. Everything being considered needs to be in chat.
Eric H.: The fact that An-Jen did not set himself to auto pass leads me to believe that he has not neccesarily bought into your 3 way deal. Particularly since you abandoned your original plan and bought CDG.
Paul B: Eric, I'm missing something here. The deal that I made with An-Jen was officially over (per the terms of the deal) when I sold a share of Android. If I had wanted to, I would have needed to negotiate a new deal with An-Jen. It just wasn't worth the effort particularly since I was only about 85% sure it would all work out. The proposed deal that I made to An-Jen and Daniel has not been commented on, approved or declined by An-Jen.
An-Jen T: I will counter with 23 for SZD.
An-Jen T passes
Eric H.: So why did you state that " An-Jen and Daniel I have a proposed 3-way deal for 9.6" if An-Jen never commented on it at the time you made it. That was what got me wondering how you could have possibly negotiated that outside of chat.
Eric H.: In any case, these negotiations are sort of dragging here. Doi your move and make you offer during the corporations buy companies phase. Or are you waiting to dump your share of Android contingent on your "deal"
An-Jen T: I think he meant: An-Jen and Daniel, I have ......
Eric H.: Ahh, the dreaded comma omission!
DanielB: i think we can finish the give and take in phase 6....don'tyou all? long auction....
Paul B passes
-- Round: 9 Phase: 4 (Determine New Player Order) --
New player order: DanielB, An-Jen T, Eric H., Paul B, Bryan Eastman
-- Round: 9 Phase: 5 (Foreign Investor Buys Companies) --
-- Round: 9 Phase: 6 (Corporations Buys Companies) --
Paul B: An-Jen, I'll do it for$24
Paul B: Daniel, I assume you'd still be on board with those parameters?
Eric H.: I have never tested it but does the game stop you from re-proposing an offer at a different price if you first one is rejected?
Paul B: No, but this is a 3-way deal, so I'd like to have full agreement from all parties before we start moving shit around.
An-Jen T: Paul, I will accept $24.
Saturn buys BSR for $29 from Bryan Eastman
Android offers $24 for SZD
Paul B: Daniel, deal?
Horse offers $11 for B
Horse offers $11 for NS
Bryan Eastman: FYI, An-Jen, you're up in 890
DanielB: What green for me? I’d need to pay $24 for it?
Horse buys B for $11 from Bear
Horse buys NS for $11 from Bear
Bear offers $24 for SJ
DanielB: Anyone offer Min for wt/bd?
DanielB: Paul. I didn’t want negotiations to drag out so I just accepted stuff as is. But I would appreciate if you pick up b d from me for $6. I wanted to ask for more on Ns/b combo. But this’ll work better for you...I think
Paul B: Daniel, You get SJ for $20 . Let's complete the deal that's already been negotiated before we work on a new one.
Eric H.: https://youtu.be/WpE_xMRiCLE
Paul B: Awesome, Eric!
Paul B: Daniel, I don't know what you mean by, "I wanted to ask for more on Ns/b combo." This was your proposal. Are you just trolling me?
Eric H.: We really need to stick for a protocol for deals. The protocol is state your offer, including Round and Phase of consumation, add the phrase "Deal?" The other party assents with a Reply of "Deal"
Eric H.: Better yet if multipledeals are being batted around, the other party Copy-Pastes the exact offer from Chat and appends "[Deal]"
An-Jen T: Daniel, the terms as I as understood it was:
An-Jen T: Paul buys the yellows from you for 22.
An-Jen T: You buy SJ from me for 20.
An-Jen T: I buy SZD from Paul for 24.
An-Jen T: So as much as I want to accept your generous offer, I will decline it so you can alter it to 20.
Android declines to sell SJ to Bear for $24
An-Jen T: Paul, is there some reason you have not accepted my offer?
An-Jen T: If things are too confused, then let us just roll back to the begining of the phase. And I think it should be Paul's mulligan. :-)
DanielB: well, very good... that's what i thought,... i seriously just thought I'd been hosed...but wanted to move ahead....who owns this game, go ahead and roll back, or I can simply repropose?
Bear offers $20 for SJ
Android buys SZD for $24 from Horse
Horse passes
Bear buys SJ for $20 from Android
Android passes
Eric H.: So, re-propose works?
Paul B: My experience has been that youu can re-propose if your prospective partner rejects the deal. A proposal can 't be withdrawn, otherwise.
Paul B: I don't know who made out the best (I suspect it was An-Jen since I didn't drive a hard enough bargain with him), but we completed a 3-way deal. Pretty good work!
Paul B: I do think it helped all participants, so I''d call it a success.
Bryan Eastman: Rolled back; Daniel, you'll need to re-buy MAD, and please double check that your pass settings are correct.
Bryan Eastman: rolled back again; this time, uncheck the box, save your skip settings, then expand the list to be sure it's not checked. then buy MAD
Bear buys MAD for $64 from DanielB
-- Round: 9 Phase: 7 (Close Companies) --
DSB passes
BR passes
BSR passes
HA passes
WT passes
BD passes
SJ passes
MAD passes
DanielB: You guys are going to want to kill me. I decided not to close them. Because of book value maintainance and lost synergy. Maybe one of u wants bd next turn?
Eric H.: Glad to hear you all consider your 3 way deal a success. Are you 3 girls going out for champagne brunch later?
Paul B: I have no problem. You did say, "never mind," whic, to my mind means, "never mind."
Horse closes BME
KME passes
OL passes
HE passes
PR passes
DR passes
B passes
NS passes
CDG passes
Bryan Eastman: Eric, please don’t do the “calling men girls is derisive “ thing.
Eric H.: Since you object to that sort of humor I will refrain from using it in your presence.
Android closes BSE
SX passes
MS passes
BPM passes
MHE passes
PKP passes
AKE passes
SZD passes
HR passes
Foreign Investor closes BY
-- Round: 9 Phase: 8 (Collect Income) --
Horse collects $18 income
Bear collects $23 income
Saturn collects $26 income
Android collects $12 income
DanielB collects $0 income
An-Jen T collects $15 income
Eric H. collects $15 income
Paul B collects $15 income
Bryan Eastman collects $0 income
Foreign Investor collects $5 income
-- Round: 9 Phase: 9 (Pay Dividends And Adjust Share Prices) --
Bryan Eastman: thank you
Eric H.: Now, let's get that juicy dividend paid out!
Horse pays $0 dividends
Horse changes share price from $22 to $24
Horse changes share price from $24 to $26
Bear pays $0 dividends
Bear changes share price from $20 to $22
Bear changes share price from $22 to $24
Saturn pays $5 dividends - Eric H. receives $5 - Bryan Eastman receives $15
Saturn changes share price from $16 to $18
Saturn changes share price from $18 to $20
Android pays $0 dividends
Android changes share price from $14 to $15
Android changes share price from $15 to $16
-- Round: 9 Phase: 10 (Check Game End) --
-- Round: 10 Phase: 1 (Issue New Shares) --
Horse issues a share and receives $22
Horse changes share price from $26 to $22
An-Jen T: Paul, I have a proposal for you during 10.6.
DanielB: Well. I was gonna Issue. But not at that price.
Bear passes
Saturn passes
An-Jen T: You buy HR from me for $71 AND I buy CDG from you for $61. I am basically asking for a discount equal to a turn and a half of synergy for you.
Android issues a share and receives $15
Android changes share price from $16 to $15
-- Round: 10 Phase: 2 (Form Corporations) --
CDG passes
HR passes
Paul B: I considered offering a deal like that, but I own such a small portion of my corporation that it doesn't really make sense for me to take such a big personal financial hit for the good of the corp.
Paul B: I'm happy to pay $71 for HR, but I would need more for CDG. I'll have to consider a counter offer.
An-Jen T: good point.....
Paul B: I don't think we have a chance for a deal on this. I'm not sure I'd do it for $71, and I don't think you have any incentive to go higher than that.
Paul B: Edit: I'm almost certain that I wouldn't do it for $71
HA passes
-- Round: 10 Phase: 3 (Auctions And Share Trading) --
DanielB bids $70 for OPC
DanielB buys OPC for $70 from the bank
Eric H.: An-Jen/Paul we had to rollback again because the Rollback feature reverts to the previous auto-pass settings. I had unchecked Auto Pass for "Auctions And Share Trading" but the last roll-back for Daniel reverted me to Auto-Pass and my first auction phase got auto-passed.
Android changes share price from $15 to $16
An-Jen T buys share of Android for $16
Android changes share price from $16 to $18
Eric H. buys share of Android for $18
Android changes share price from $18 to $16
Paul B sells share of Android for $16
Saturn changes share price from $20 to $18
Bryan Eastman sells share of Saturn for $18
An-Jen T passes
Eric H.: Ouch, I should have seen that coming.
Saturn changes share price from $18 to $15
Eric H. sells share of Saturn for $15
Bryan Eastman: why sell down? are you planning to do something else with the money this turn?
Eric H.: Why should stay in when you hurt me by driving down my share price and your treasury is low enough that you will be issuing another share anyway.
Bryan Eastman: when did I drive down the share price? you mean just now to get enough cash to invite HH into the Saturn Family of Companies(r)?
Bryan Eastman: Saturn: "Because eating your children is better than eating rocks and thinking they're your kids. Fucking ingrates."
Paul B bids $37 for FS
Bryan Eastman leaves auction
Paul B buys FS for $37 from the bank
Bryan Eastman bids $48 for HH
Bryan Eastman buys HH for $48 from the bank
Eric H.: Daniel, can you give me any guarantees regarding me buying a share of Bear?
Eric H.: Paul I would consider flipping you a Purple if you buy HA from me.
Eric H.: VP perhaps, you could continue collecting private income in the meanwhile.
Bryan Eastman: you'd rather sell to Paul than An-Jen?
Eric H.: Counter offers would be entertained.
Eric H.: But only Horse has the synergies for HA so I doubt An-Jen is interested.
Paul B: Horse Corp has committed its assets in the near term but might consider acquisitions in 11.6 or beyond.
Paul B: I would buy HR from An-Jen, though, so maybe there is some sort of deal where I buy HR and An-Jen buys HA. I'm not really sure how that would benefit everyone else, but perhaps there is the basis for something.
Eric H.: No Basis for anything really and it is really hard to remain engaged when there is no possibility of moving out of lt place. I am not going to expend my more energy on trying out make deals here.
Eric H.: Last place.
Eric H.: Please let me know when the next game starts.
Paul B: Every game you give some version of teh "I
Paul B: Every game you give some version of the, "I'm going to take my bat and ball and go home..." speech.
Eric H.: It's noT my bat and it's not my ball. Nothing is stopping you from continuing play.
Paul B: True enough
An-Jen T passes
Eric H. passes
DanielB: Eric, I’m wedded to bear for 10 and 11 rounds. So no risk in holding Bear until 12
DanielB: Paul, want BD for $6. Earns u $1 and cheap book value. Earns as much as $6 with wt and sbb or $e with just wt H
Bryan Eastman passes
-- Round: 10 Phase: 4 (Determine New Player Order) --
New player order: Eric H., Bryan Eastman, DanielB, An-Jen T, Paul B
-- Round: 10 Phase: 5 (Foreign Investor Buys Companies) --
-- Round: 10 Phase: 6 (Corporations Buys Companies) --
Bear passes
Bryan Eastman: An-Jen, the way I see it right now, Paul is likely to coast to victory. He’s in a stronger position than Daniel, and has an extra 10 in personal income above us.
Bryan Eastman: I’m looking at ways to merge or something that will let you and I make a play. Any ideas?
Bryan Eastman: I could sell you DSB and BSR, and then buy HR next round. If you bought HH from me, Android would max synergies, while still leaving Saturn as viable.
DanielB: Paul. I sold Ns and bd too cheap because I didn’t have time to negotiate (I started a second job today). Buy bd from me now. U have the cash for it and cdg and I would have included it in the negotiation
Bryan Eastman: daniel, you were the one who proposed the deal, selling NS and B for min, buying green for 20.
Android buys HR for $71 from An-Jen T
An-Jen T: Bryan, I agree in principle that we should coordinate. But I need liquidity this turn
Paul B: Daniel, What he said!
Paul B: I have no interest in BD
Horse buys CDG for $79 from Paul B
Paul B: I’m sorry that you proposed, agreed to, re-agreed to, and then accepted a deal that you now regret.
Android passes
Paul B: Congrats on the new job, though
Horse passes
-- Round: 10 Phase: 7 (Close Companies) --
DSB passes
BR passes
BSR passes
HA passes
HH passes
SX passes
MS passes
BPM passes
MHE passes
PKP passes
AKE passes
SZD passes
HR passes
Horse closes KME
OL passes
HE passes
PR passes
DR passes
B passes
NS passes
CDG passes
FS passes
Eric H.: I feel you Daniel: https://youtu.be/WpE_xMRiCLE
DanielB: Eric, LOL! Let's see what we can do against DarthPB
Bear closes WT
Bear closes BD
SJ passes
MAD passes
OPC passes
-- Round: 10 Phase: 8 (Collect Income) --
Bear collects $27 income
Horse collects $34 income
Android collects $27 income
Saturn collects $26 income
Eric H. collects $15 income
Bryan Eastman collects $15 income
DanielB collects $25 income
An-Jen T collects $0 income
Paul B collects $10 income
Foreign Investor collects $5 income
-- Round: 10 Phase: 9 (Pay Dividends And Adjust Share Prices) --
Bear pays $0 dividends
Bear changes share price from $24 to $26
DanielB: shoulda issued last round... that was stupid...stubborn.... Eric, feeling no need to let go of Bear, I'm not diluted and may buy a share... you can buy a share and sit before me in Auction next turn,...
Eric H.: So, you want be to create space for your next share issue. What do I get out of it? I am willing to deal though since Paul seems to think he can just ignore me on deals this whole game.
Eric H.: Looking closer, Bear is very close to being overvalued. It will not double jump at its current income value and I don't see any reason for you to buy more shares for dividends as you have no synergies with OPC.
Eric H.: You have no financial interest in keep Bear viable. so I will pass on buying into Bear.
Horse pays $0 dividends
Horse changes share price from $22 to $24
Horse changes share price from $24 to $28
Android pays $0 dividends
Android changes share price from $16 to $18
Android changes share price from $18 to $20
Android passes
Saturn pays $0 dividends
Saturn changes share price from $15 to $16
Saturn changes share price from $16 to $18
Saturn passes
-- Round: 10 Phase: 10 (Check Game End) --
-- Round: 11 Phase: 1 (Issue New Shares) --
Horse issues a share and receives $24
Horse changes share price from $28 to $24
Bear passes
Saturn passes
-- Round: 11 Phase: 2 (Form Corporations) --
DanielB forms corporation Eagle with OPC at $41 - 4 shares issued.
HH passes
HA passes
Eric H.: Paul I think your deal with Daniel may cost you the game. You allowed Bear to accumulate too much operating cash. Now Daniel will pick up FR and gut Bear with a 4 share comany while you are stuck with Horse and cost of ownership at $10
An-Jen T: Eric, while you may well be right since Daniel knows how to manage the end game, I think Paul is in a really good position. He can sell FS this turn for max and buy a purple. Next turn he can incorporate it, gut Horse, and buy another purple, without selling a share.
An-Jen T: That strikes
An-Jen T: Me as a much better situation than, say, my relative position last game. My bet is that Paul will increase his lead ....
Eric H.: I think it is much harder to gut companies like Bear that have highly synergized money-losing companies. You have to split up the synergies during the gutting process and you hemmorage cash. Bear is in much better position to be gutted with its large pool of cash, 1 Blue and 1 Green.
Eric H.: The cost of ownership will be driving down the NET synergy income for Horse down from $28 to $4.
FS passes
-- Round: 11 Phase: 3 (Auctions And Share Trading) --
Android changes share price from $20 to $16
Eric H. sells share of Android for $16
Eric H.: Paul, if you buy HA for $65 I would flip my Purple to your new Corp,
Eric H.: My only other option for my cash is to buy Eagle this turn.
Paul B: Eagle looks like a good investment!
Saturn changes share price from $18 to $20
Bryan Eastman buys share of Saturn for $20
DanielB passes
DanielB: Eric. Eagle is likely to become quite good.
DanielB: An-Jen- I'm speaking out of our collective best interest hoping you will deem VP worth $83, as it's been said, Paul's lead is non-trivial, in particular because he gets to make FS liquid and buy in for $51 after already earning $10 with it....Brilliant move Paul....
DanielB: at $84, at least he overpays a little for his $8 synergy... and MM fits your situation quite decently...
An-Jen T bids $80 for VP
Paul B bids $81 for VP
Eric H.: OK Daniel, if you have Bear buy HA for '62 I will buy TSI, use the income to buy Eagle, and then sell it to you for $125.
DanielB: Eric, we can work on that... I'm open to it, but need to see how this phase plays out...I probably don't want to buy HA this round however with Bear...not never, but not now...
Eric H.: Let's run the numbers here. Paul will be standing up a new Corp next turn. I need my money working for me. A Purple would do that for me next turn. It keeps It away from other players and I can use the money to Goose up Eagle.
Eric H.: Me getting TSI guarantees it will go to you and that Eagles prices will jump. I can arbitrage Eagle this turn after you sell but it will hurt your long-term growth.
An-Jen T leaves auction
Paul B buys VP for $81 from the bank
DanielB: An-Jen - why'd you drop out? Did you really think that Paul would let you have VP at $82 or $83 when he has the CDG synergy to exploit?
DanielB: Eric, I don't know what you should do, buy E? seems wrong. Buy Eagle... maybe, though that seems worse than waiting a round and floating HA...The owner of AL will buy HA from you before the game is over, at least its likely they will... And if by a 1/3 chance, RU comes out, your HA will almost certainly find a bid. But I can't promise you that I'll buy HA from you....
DanielB: You won't get hurt with Eagle... it's possible you won't make a lot of money....it will double jump this round.
An-Jen T: Daniel, I'm sure you are right. If Paul beats you by $2, you can blame me for throwing the game ...... To be honest, I was willing to buy it for par, if Paul decided to be perverse, as it were. And I wanted to move things along ....
DanielB: Paul, I need you to stumble, no-one is making it hard on you...
Eric H. passes
Paul B: I’ll see what I can do.
Bryan Eastman passes
Eagle changes share price from $41 to $37
DanielB sells share of Eagle for $37
Bryan Eastman: Eric, I do think you should look hard at buying E, if no one else buys a company. basically, it really sticks it to everyone with greens and below, which is everyone except you. (yes, E, but it's got enough synergies it will still get you a reasonable price.)
Bryan Eastman: I'm not saying it's a winning move, but I think it's worth a look.
Paul B: It makes no sense. Once An-Jen buys his purple the cost of ownership goes up. Even if you think An- Jen is going to pass, why did Daniel sell Eagle? he certainly seems to be planning to buy something.
Bryan Eastman: good point
An-Jen T bids $75 for MM
An-Jen T buys MM for $75 from the bank
Eric H. passes
Bryan Eastman passes
DanielB bids $60 for FR
DanielB buys FR for $60 from the bank
An-Jen T passes
Eagle changes share price from $37 to $41
Eric H. buys share of Eagle for $41
Bryan Eastman passes
DanielB passes
An-Jen T passes
Eric H. passes
-- Round: 11 Phase: 4 (Determine New Player Order) --
New player order: Eric H., Paul B, Bryan Eastman, An-Jen T, DanielB
-- Round: 11 Phase: 5 (Foreign Investor Buys Companies) --
-- Round: 11 Phase: 6 (Corporations Buys Companies) --
Eagle buys FR for $84 from DanielB
Bear passes
Eagle passes
Bryan Eastman: sigh. I wish you hadn't bought MM, an-jen. you could have had eagle for one android share, and stopped daniel's cash pipeline
Saturn passes
Eric H.: Paul, either I get you AL by proxy or Daniel gets it. You choice.
Eric H.: Alternate
Eric H.: Alternately, Daniel you get AL and you put enough money in my pocket by buying HA so I can flip you LE. I'm have to dump a share of Eagle but that will make it cheaper for you to increase your holing
Eric H.: Holding later.
DanielB: Eric. What are you smoking?
DanielB: Only Paul and I will have big money entering next auction. Where is your influence coming from? You’re not playing in our sandbox in your first turn...
Eric H.: Paul doesn't have the big money going into the next auction. Only you do and you will get AL for cost if he does nothing. I don't think he can afford to let you get that synergy.
Eric H.: Two turns of that and he loses.
Eric H.: I can also threaten your control of Eagle if get the money from selling HA. I would say that control of Eagle would be a source of influence.
Horse buys FS for $51 from Paul B
Eric H.: Well Paul, Daniel dividends for $2 and $1 and gets AL for $89 guaranteed. And now you will be too short on cash to buy LE. What are you going to do wilth all that cash?
DanielB: Eric. That’s wrong. Paul gets $25 plus $51 plus $11 is $87. Is not that real money?
An-Jen T: Bryan, I don't think that would have been a great move for me. It w
An-Jen T: Bryan, I don't think that would have been a great move for me. It w
An-Jen T: might have hurt Daniel, but I don't think it would mainly have helped Paul. If it was such a great idea, Paul should have done it. And he actually had something to sell....
Android passes
Eric H.: It's not real money when you can get to $89 and out bid him for AL. That $87 buys him what, E? He needed to get a Purple this turn and keep you away from the AL synergy. He failed.
Eric H.: Congrats on another win. Pauls big 3 way deal put way too much money in Bears' pocket. You will easily have TSI after you buy AL when you move Bears cash and MAD into Eagle.
An-Jen T: Actually, Eric, Paul can get the money he needs by shutting down a few of his Oranges. He will take an early hit
An-Jen T: On Horse, but it is just one share, and as you noted, he must get to $90.
Eric H.: Well Daniel still has a one turn lead in putting together his synergy income from Eagle. Horse is done and spinning up VP not a new Corp will not stop Daniel from getting TSI.
Eric H.: Into a new corp
Horse passes
-- Round: 11 Phase: 7 (Close Companies) --
SJ passes
MAD passes
DSB passes
BR passes
BSR passes
OPC passes
FR passes
HA passes
HH passes
Android closes AKE
Android closes BPM
Android closes MHE
SX passes
MS passes
PKP passes
SZD passes
HR passes
MM passes
OL passes
HE passes
PR passes
DR passes
B passes
NS passes
CDG passes
FS passes
VP passes
Foreign Investor closes SBB
-- Round: 11 Phase: 8 (Collect Income) --
Eagle collects $40 income
Bear collects $17 income
Horse collects $10 income
Saturn collects $2 income
Android collects $9 income
Eric H. collects $15 income
Paul B collects $25 income
Bryan Eastman collects $15 income
An-Jen T collects $25 income
DanielB collects $0 income
Foreign Investor collects $5 income
-- Round: 11 Phase: 9 (Pay Dividends And Adjust Share Prices) --
Eagle pays $4 dividends - Eric H. receives $4 - DanielB receives $4
Eagle changes share price from $41 to $45
Bear pays $0 dividends
Bear changes share price from $26 to $28
DanielB: Paul. If you had closed the oranges you could have dividedned $3-$4. You gave me a stumble. Thanks!
DanielB: 3-5$ actually I think...
An-Jen T: Damn, and I spelled it out for you too......
An-Jen T: You might want to use you mulligan now!
An-Jen T: Or perhaps Paul has a more nefarious plan in mind!
Horse pays $0 dividends
Horse changes share price from $24 to $26
Horse changes share price from $26 to $31
Saturn pays $1 dividends - Bryan Eastman receives $3
Saturn changes share price from $20 to $22
Saturn changes share price from $22 to $24
Android pays $0 dividends
Android changes share price from $16 to $18
Android changes share price from $18 to $20
Android passes
-- Round: 11 Phase: 10 (Check Game End) --
-- Round: 12 Phase: 1 (Issue New Shares) --
Eagle passes
Eric H.: I guess he didn't read the previous comments or he does have a master plan.
Eric H.: Bear takeover?
Eric H.: Doesn't add up.
DanielB: I’m $34 behind. He has a lot of margin...
Bryan Eastman: An-jen, are you interested in selling android?
Horse issues a share and receives $26
Horse changes share price from $31 to $26
Paul B: Yes, not closing HE was an error. I should have gotten myself to $90 by whatever means were necessary
An-Jen T: Possibly, I was pl
Paul B: Hopefully, I can still survive.
An-Jen T: I was planning to reduce my stake regardless since there isn't much of an upside at the moment without some cooperation.
Bear passes
An-Jen T: Bryan, what do you have in mind?
DanielB: See why I didn’t issue? Now that Paul can’t get the second purple I didn’t want to make Bear even more attractive to steal. So Paul. Your mistake hurts me too. Good game!
DanielB: Paul. Yes. To $90 by whatever means. I extracted an extra dollar from Eagle just in case I lose it
Bryan Eastman: Basically some variant of: I buy a share, you sell all your shares.
Saturn issues a share and receives $22
Saturn changes share price from $24 to $22
-- Round: 12 Phase: 2 (Form Corporations) --
Bryan Eastman: You get another purple, I get all android's assets.
Paul B forms corporation Wheel with VP at $41 - 4 shares issued.
Bryan Eastman: With Paul now below 86, I think you can definitely get a second purple without having to float MM if you agree. Then you get 50 a turn personal treasury
Bryan Eastman: With Paul now below 86, I think you can definitely get a second purple without having to float MM if you agree. Then you get 50 a turn personal treasury
An-Jen T forms corporation Jupiter with MM at $34 - 6 shares issued.
HH passes
An-Jen T: Actually, I think Paul plans to sell a share so that he can get a purple.
An-Jen T: At least that is what I would do if I were in his shoes. It would have been much better for him to get to 90 without selling, but that is water under the bridge. I am definitely agreeable to turning control over to you. My only request is that you buy your share right after I sell the first share. If you don't mind I would like to keep this tentative until my turn comes around since I want to see what Paul decides to do....
HA passes
-- Round: 12 Phase: 3 (Auctions And Share Trading) --
Eric H. passes
Wheel changes share price from $41 to $50
Paul B buys share of Wheel for $50
Bryan Eastman passes
Jupiter changes share price from $34 to $31
An-Jen T sells share of Jupiter for $31
Eric H.: Paul, if you were going to gut Horse ( leaving it only with HE) in order to dividend max with Wheel you should have advertised BEFORE buying Wheel. I would have dumped Eagle and then bought the cheap Wheel for the dividend/share jump creating very a nice share price separation between Eagle and Wheel.
Eric H.: You could have had Wheel up to $55 and could have issued again for $50 next turn. Your insistence on working alone and ignoring other players is going to hurt you in the end game.
Eric H.: Daniel, in the unlikely event that you dividend big with Eagle I will buy another share.
Eric H.: With two shares of Eagle I would happily sell HA to Eagle for $62 to support future dividend payments.
Eric H.: And buy more Eagle of course.
DanielB bids $86 for AL
DanielB buys AL for $86 from the bank
DanielB: An Jen. Can u explain what you are doing? It’s very confusing ...
Eric H. passes
Eric H.: An-Jen are you and Bryan pushing forward with your Change of ownership of Android? Please be clear so the appropriate auto-pass decisions can be made.
An-Jen T: Bryan, sorry but it looks like I will be a dollar short if I go with our original plan. So I plan to hang on to 1 share. Your investment is welcomed however.
Bryan Eastman: I count $54?; 20+18+16 I buy first
An-Jen T: I did not think you were willing to do that, but if you are willing to buy first. The deal is back on.....
Paul B passes
Android changes share price from $20 to $24
Bryan Eastman buys share of Android for $24
Bryan Eastman: I would like you to buy some shares of saturn along the way.
Eric H.: A very odd time to add a codicil to a deal.
Bryan Eastman: yeah, but he's getting a lot for it
Eric H.: He is not obligated to do anything beyond his negotiated deal.
Eric H.: I, for example, would like a pony.
Android changes share price from $24 to $20
An-Jen T sells share of Android for $20
Paul B: I’d like a pony, too, please.
DanielB passes
Eric H. passes
Bryan Eastman: I case it wasn't clear, I mean in future turns.
Eric H.: An-Jen agreed to turn over Android to you, nothing more. Anything else is wishful thinking on your part.
Eric H.: BTW, if multiple people own one share after An-Jen dumps his last share, the presidency of Android is decided by the current turn order.
Eric H.: Android is a very tempting morsel for Paul. Maybe you noticed that he has not set himself to auto-pas.
Eric H.: He may buy a share after An-Jen dumps his next share. You will either have to let him have it or sell down Saturn to take control.
Eric H.: And I see you are a dollar short. You would have to sell down TWO shares of Saturn to get control of Android if Paul buys a share.
An-Jen T: Is that how it works? I had assumed that it was based on who made the earliest purchase.
Eric H.: Top Right of Page 9 here: http://rabenste.in/rollingstock/learning_the_game.pdf
Eric H.: ..." In the case where more than one player is tied for the most shares, the player that is following you closer in player order becomes the president..." Both Paul and I are closer in player order to you than Brian.
Eric H.: I'm sure Daniel can tell us if my interpretation is correct.
Eric H.: And obviously Daniel is the closest but he doesn't have the cash to buy.
Paul B passes
Bryan Eastman passes
Android changes share price from $20 to $18
An-Jen T sells share of Android for $18
Eric H.: Well, Luckily for Bryan Paul didn't buy a share. I still think he could have bought it , gutted it, dividended out the money with his 3 shares of Wheel and still have come out ahead.
DanielB passes
Eric H.: Oh, it cheaper and Paul still can jump in. What will he do?
Eric H. passes
Bryan Eastman: Paul doesn't get Android without selling a share of wheel. you don't get android without selling eagle. the question is whether paul/you want to screw me in the process.
Eric H.: What are you talking about? Paul gets Android if he spends $20. It will cost you a sell down of a Saturn share and another $20 to take control.
Eric H.: Paul buys, An-Jen sells, Paul is the new president.
Eric H.: Or I buy and An-Jen sells and I am the new president.
Eric H.: I already passed on buying an android share, so I can't become president when An-Jen sells his last share. I didn't have any synergies to make a takeover really work for me. Android is worth FAR more to Paul than it is to me.
Bryan Eastman: yes, what I'm saying is that I will sell down.
Eric H.: It costs Paul $2 to find out whether you would cut your own nose off. He may be able to afford it.
Paul B passes
Bryan Eastman passes
Eric H.: Daniel, you let me "borrow Eagle" for one turn and you can have TSI next turn. You let me know what company buys you want executed. You sell AL for Max, I dividend Eagle for $1 and you can get TSI at cost
Eric H.: Sorry the dividend thing doesn't make any sense. Let me know if you would find a temporary proxy ownership agreement workable.
Android changes share price from $18 to $16
An-Jen T sells share of Android for $16
Bryan Eastman becomes president of Android
DanielB passes
Eric H. passes
Jupiter changes share price from $31 to $34
Paul B buys share of Jupiter for $34
Bryan Eastman passes
An-Jen T bids $90 for LE
An-Jen T buys LE for $90 from the bank
DanielB passes
Eric H. passes
Paul B passes
Bryan Eastman passes
An-Jen T passes
-- Round: 12 Phase: 4 (Determine New Player Order) --
New player order: Eric H., DanielB, Bryan Eastman, Paul B, An-Jen T
-- Round: 12 Phase: 5 (Foreign Investor Buys Companies) --
-- Round: 12 Phase: 6 (Corporations Buys Companies) --
Saturn buys PKP for $12 from Android
Saturn buys SZD for $16 from Android
Saturn buys MS for $9 from Android
Saturn buys SX for $8 from Android
Android buys BR for $41 from Saturn
Android passes
Jupiter buys LE for $129 from An-Jen T
Bear offers $64 for HA
DanielB: Happy to buy TSI from you, should you get it Eric...
DanielB: Bryan, have you interest in letting go of BR at some mutually beneficial price?
DanielB: oh, i see BR was already in motion..., maybe HR or HH then?
Wheel buys CDG for $28 from Horse
Bear buys HA for $64 from Eric H.
Eagle buys MAD for $23 from Bear
Bear offers $25 for FS
Eagle passes
Bear passes
DanielB: I passed. But my offer still stands, correct? Still waiting to hear from fs owner
Eric H.: Daniel there is no way I can outbid An-Jen for TSI. As my first action I can buy Eagle and run it by proxy to keep it safe from an An-Jen takeover. Your call.
Horse passes
Wheel passes
Horse declines to sell FS to Bear for $25
-- Round: 12 Phase: 7 (Close Companies) --
OPC passes
FR passes
MAD passes
SJ passes
HA passes
MM passes
LE passes
AL passes
Horse closes HE
OL passes
PR passes
DR passes
B passes
NS passes
FS passes
VP passes
CDG passes
DanielB: oh wow, I really set myself up for that didn't I? Eric, that isn't what I want...no worries, I will dividend $12 and you will have cash to do as you see fit...
DanielB: I'll float with AL and be happy to buy TSI from you if you like....
Saturn closes SX
Saturn closes MS
DSB passes
BSR passes
PKP passes
SZD passes
HR passes
BR passes
HH passes
-- Round: 12 Phase: 8 (Collect Income) --
Wheel collects $48 income
Eagle collects $63 income
Jupiter collects $66 income
Bear collects $17 income
Horse collects $-2 income
Saturn collects $6 income
Android collects $17 income
Eric H. collects $0 income
DanielB collects $25 income
Bryan Eastman collects $15 income
Paul B collects $0 income
An-Jen T collects $0 income
Foreign Investor collects $5 income
-- Round: 12 Phase: 9 (Pay Dividends And Adjust Share Prices) --
DanielB: Looking bleak... what’s the verdict Paul?
DanielB: Eric. I think Paul and even an-Jen have some non trivial advantages. Shall we and Bryon you too, collaborate to make a super Corp? Eric I float and u get first buy and Bryan you get second buy. I won’t purchase any of new Corp this round. Then I will buy he from you Bryan with new Corp. And maybe bsr/szd from Saturn?
DanielB: If anjen chooses to steal Eagle for $126 cash so be it. He isn’t getting it at a discount
DanielB: Actually. The $60 will likely be covered so more likely $139. That’s expensive
Wheel pays $5 dividends - Paul B receives $15
Wheel changes share price from $50 to $55
Wheel changes share price from $55 to $60
Eagle pays $12 dividends - Eric H. receives $12 - DanielB receives $12
Eagle changes share price from $45 to $50
Eagle changes share price from $50 to $55
DanielB: i really don't know what An-Jen is going to do!
Jupiter pays $0 dividends
Jupiter changes share price from $34 to $37
Jupiter changes share price from $37 to $41
Jupiter passes
Bear pays $9 dividends - DanielB receives $9
Bear changes share price from $28 to $24
Horse pays $7 dividends - Paul B receives $7
Horse changes share price from $26 to $20
Saturn pays $2 dividends - Bryan Eastman receives $6
Saturn changes share price from $22 to $26
Android pays $0 dividends
Android changes share price from $16 to $15
Android passes
-- Round: 12 Phase: 10 (Check Game End) --
-- Round: 13 Phase: 1 (Issue New Shares) --
Wheel passes
Eagle passes
Jupiter passes
Saturn passes
Bear passes
-- Round: 13 Phase: 2 (Form Corporations) --
DanielB forms corporation Orion with AL at $28 - 8 shares issued.
DanielB: Bryan, reminder, I'll offer you a fair price for HH this turn...
DanielB: HEREYE, HEREYEE, Orion is welcoming new shareholders at very small premiums...
DanielB: Our's will be an exceedingly shareholder friendly run Corporation!
Eric H.: I have great concerns about investing in an 8 Share company when there is a perfect good 4 share company. How exactly do you plan to milk Eagle to benefit Orion?
DanielB: Have zero concerns Eric. Eagle and Bear and possibly Bryan's HH could all end up in Orion....and / or maybe also TSI in last round....do you see? And Eagle will pay out max dividends each round for a small /medium size profit....but feel free to bid on TSI, orion is also interested in that....
HH passes
-- Round: 13 Phase: 3 (Auctions And Share Trading) --
Bryan Eastman: Daniel, I'm really confused why you think orion is good for me or eric. I see why you'd like us to buy in, but I don't see value for me.
Eric H. bids $100 for TSI
Eric H.: Well, I guess we'll see how much An_Jen wants to pay.
An-Jen T bids $101 for TSI
DanielB: Bryan, that's your choice... it depends on a thing or two, how good it will be...Are you interested in selling HH to Orion?
Bryan Eastman: Not particularly; Android will give me max.
DanielB: Eric, /An-Jen I expect I can offer you more than $130 - probably the $140 for TSI.... in round 14
Bryan Eastman: Is there going to be a round 14?
An-Jen T: There is always a final round after the turn where every company is sold.
DanielB: unless a company's share price hit's $100, then the game is over, immediately
Eric H. bids $112 for TSI
DanielB: holy smokes Eric.... Well, that will make An-jen think....
Eric H.: $57 income per turn with synergy. $114 over two turns. Over a 50% return if he buys it a $113. I don't think he can beat that.
Eric H.: Pretty sure he won't be selling it on it you when he gets it.
DanielB: Sure... the thing is, he can't sell it in in round 1... He doesn't have the capital in Jupiter.... So his return is actually $25 personal + $40 personal + $57 for the company ($17 gain), and $52 gain for himself....However, he can have Jupiter buy E, then have TSI float, and suck in LE and MM for cheap... that's probably better...
Eric H.: He can buy and sell it to Jupiter for $66 dividend out $24 to himself. Thats $84 to buy another share of Jupiter next turn (which still jumps to $50) He can dividend out again last turn for (16 x 3 ) for $48 and have his 3 Jupiter shares still climb to $73 with maybe enough to buy another share of another nudervalued Corp.
Eric H.: Never mind I got the math all wrong. Dividends happen after stock buys so he can't buy any more shares.
Eric H.: He can goose Jupiter up to $55 next turn after dividending himself this turn. So his final dividend would be the max supported ($22 per share for $66). People might buy in for that sort of share jump, even if the dividend had to be reduced to support the higher share price.
Eric H.: I don't know I am too tired to do the math for anyone else.
An-Jen T bids $113 for TSI
An-Jen T buys TSI for $113 from the bank
DanielB: hmmmm Well then.... Eric. Here's what I'm going to do. Unless you steal Eagle. I'm going to gut it. Orion will buy OPC, HA and MAD. It will have income of $112. It will have only paid 1/2 book value for those corps supporting ever growing stock price. It can double...You can get the $31 and $34 and $37 shares
DanielB: I'd love to get Android too to get HR....if you steal it that'd be awesome but I think your capital is way better going into Orion. Your call, of course
Android changes share price from $15 to $16
DanielB buys share of Android for $16
Eric H.: I'm not seeing how it can double, at least not for me. My buy in is on average $34 and I don't see how we get up to $66.
Eric H.: I guess the HH takeover can support a dividend for you to buy another share. I'll open up the sell hole by buying An Orion share.
Eric H.: If your takeover succeeds, I'll buy the next share at $31. I want to see if you buy back your 4th share at $34 before I invest more.
Eric H.: http://youtu.be/H27rfr59RiE
DanielB: It can, though $60 is more likely... but if you add dividends... besides, what else yields as much? I'm not doing the takeover... too expensive for me to sell shares...
Bryan Eastman passes
Paul B passes
Eric H.: Daniel, before before we proceed and I start buying up Orion shares I want to make sure that you are committed to maxing Orion share value and that you will not dump any Orion shares. Deal?
DanielB: Deal. I am committed to Orion
Bryan Eastman: Eric, you like orion better than eagle? You are already invested in Eagle, and can have control for one share.
DanielB: Eagle doesn’t have the upside. Nothing to gut. But Eric. Just to be clear. Eagle will dividend $18 this turn and $15 next turn. It’s stock will likely end at $37. So if u want to sell it no problem.
DanielB: Heck Eric. U could buy all 4 shares. I’m sure I can keep the stock rising.
DanielB: Though 3 seems better. Have fun.
An-Jen T passes
Orion changes share price from $28 to $31
Eric H. buys share of Orion for $31
DanielB passes
DanielB: Bryan. U gonna switch to Android? Have Saturn buy br for $36 and Android buy Hh. Then with the $30 plus $36 buy over the three greens for cheap to Android. I’m cool with this but you’ll need to reposition. Go 3 shares or four shares of Android and sell die. L
Bryan Eastman passes
Paul B passes
An-Jen T passes
Orion changes share price from $31 to $34
Eric H. buys share of Orion for $34
DanielB passes
Bryan Eastman passes
Paul B passes
Eric H.: An Jen will you be dividending Jupiter? If so, how much?
Eric H.: Per share I mean.
An-Jen T: most likely the most I can while still getting a double price jump
An-Jen T passes
Eric H.: Way o see
Eric H.: Way to sell those shares. Am I supposed to guess how much you will pay? If you can't give me a number for the divedend payout how am I supposed to decide if I want to buy.
Eric H.: ?
Orion changes share price from $34 to $37
Eric H. buys share of Orion for $37
Eric H.: Daniel offers clear incentives and the value of his company goes up.
Eric H.: I could dump my last share of Eagle and buy a share of Jupiter but you don't give me enough information here.
DanielB: Eric, I have one alternative idea.... I could sell Eagle, and take over Android. I could even take over Android and still offer Bryan full price for HH. How would you feel about that? Would you still honor selling OPC and FR to EAgle?
DanielB: Another idea, You could sell Eagle, and Takeover Android and then Buy E (maybe), and sell E to Android.... Alas, I'm afraid, or happy, that the current situation is probably best....
DanielB passes
Bryan Eastman passes
An-Jen T: Eric, the short answer is yes, I can't be bothe
An-Jen T: What I meant to say is I don't care to be more specific than that.
Paul B: Eric, do you have a strategy, or is this all an effort to create havoc through randomness? I don't get it. Yes, some of this is frustration that you're pushing Daniel toward another victory, but I really don't get it.
An-Jen T: Well, in fairness to Eric, he did have a lot of cash he needed to invest somehow, and I can see that it will help him finish ahead of Bryan and possibly me as well. The corollary is that it helped Daniel more than anyone. In hindsight perhaps I should have let him have TSI.
Paul B passes
DanielB: Tsi went for too much. I set up float to make Orion shares irresistible. The mistake in my view was heroics mistake of bidding more than $104 ish. And an Jens mistake of not letting Eric have TSI. An Jen if you buy Orion shares you would have helped yourself enormously.
DanielB: Paul. I think you’d have been happier and me unhappier if you had dividended $10 instead for $5 with wheel. Eagle would have been more palatable to steal. You would have gotten an extra good share and the ending spot of wheel might not be any different.
An-Jen T: Regardless, nicely done. Like last game, you managed to set up a situation where at least one of us found it impossible not to hand the game to you. The interesting question here is if things would have turned out any differently if Paul had not made his mistake.
An-Jen T passes
Eric H.: Paul, my strategy is to increase my score, which I am doing. There is nothing random aboyut it. It makes no difference to me whether you win or Daniel wins. Since you made NO effort to offer me any serious deals you have only yourself to blame for your predicament. Had you offered me a path to make more money things would have been different. Daniel deftly made it irrrestible for me to work with him. You didn't do anything to counter his deals.
Eric H.: Plus you threw Daniel ( the most formidable opponent in the game ) a life preserver with you vaunted 3-Way deal and pumped up Bear with all the cash that made the Orion monster possible in the first place.
Eric H.: For my last turn I am going to dump for turn order first mover advantage for the last turn.
Eagle changes share price from $55 to $50
Eric H. sells share of Eagle for $50
Eric H.: Unles An-Jen want to commit to the actual dividend amount.
Android changes share price from $16 to $15
DanielB sells share of Android for $15
An-Jen T: Eric, tell you what, how high a dividend do you need in order to buy?
Paul B: I think that you can see pretty clearly that if you buy a share there is no dividend to be paid if An-Jen wants a double jump. Of course, next turn -with the addition of TSI there should be a nice dividend. You have to do some work yourself
Paul B: Otherwise you run the risk of just working with the best marketer
Bryan Eastman passes
Paul B passes
Eric H.: I am just going to assume that you will do your best to uphold the value of your shares. If you commit to not gutting Jupiter and incorporating TSI I will buy in.
DanielB: Paul. U can be happy Eric sold Eagle. It actually hurts my position non trivially
Eric H.: Actually never mind. I see how much book Daniel can move into Orion. Its crazy. Just buying another share gooses me up an nisane amount.
Eric H.: Daniel I have you on record as "DanielB: Deal. I am committed to Orion" I am going to buy another share, This will goose up our share price to $45.
An-Jen T passes
Orion changes share price from $37 to $45
Eric H. buys share of Orion for $45
DanielB: I’m committed
DanielB passes
Paul B: "i am committed to Orion means absolutely nothing." As far as I can see you have no deal. It could mean anything from I'll try not to let the share value go to zero all the way to trying to push for $100.
Bryan Eastman passes
Eric H.: Paull, it's kind of a mute point for you to dispute that. I bought the share and Daniel reaffirmed his comittment per our deal. I see no reason for him to screw me since upholding his Orion shares will lie,lay win him the game.
Eric H.: In fact, buying Orion for a double jump when he hold 4 shares means he has massive incentive to upload the share price.
Eric H.: Uphold not upload.
DanielB: Floating a purple and gutting is a core endgame necessity in many situations
Eric H.: You know after I made my bid for TSI I realized it was too impulsive a bid and a mistake. I wanted to speed the game along. I was kind of terrified that An-Jen was going to let me get it.
Bryan Eastman: Paul, have you considered selling wheel and buying eagle? Seems like without Eagle’s assets Orion drops rather than improving.?
DanielB: True. But for just one share of Orion I can then take wheel. Leaving me with three Orion and two wheel. Hard to see how I lose in that expensive takeover
DanielB: And I can even then buy back my fourth Orion share o takeover something else.
Bryan Eastman: I think your math is off. Wouldn’t you need to sell 3 Orion to take wheel?
Bryan Eastman: Or 2 Orion + eagle?
Eric H.: If Paul does a tease over Daniel gets $55 for his share of Eagle plus $37 for one share of Orion plus $24 cash. $115 is eaccle what is needed to take over Wheel since Paul needs to dump 2 shares to have enough cash to take over Eagle.
Eric H.: Not erase, takeover. Apple autocorrect is weird.
Eric H.: Nor erase, takeover, God this thing is terrible.
DanielB: Guys, the endgame of V.1 is the shit....We're in itl Terrible mistakes get made.... Paul had a chance to get another purple, but he moved to consolidate Wheel to a strong company just a little too early, instead of floating with another purple... He probably should have gone for TSI in round 12... It would have required dividending and not buying a third Wheel or Jupiter. Then float with TSI and move assets over...
Paul B passes
An-Jen T passes
Bryan Eastman: Or Paul could sell one wheel, one Jupiter take eagle and hold wheel
Paul B: 55+37+23=115. Two shares of Eagle would be $126
DanielB: Yep!
Eric H. passes
-- Round: 13 Phase: 4 (Determine New Player Order) --
New player order: DanielB, Bryan Eastman, Paul B, An-Jen T, Eric H.
-- Round: 13 Phase: 5 (Foreign Investor Buys Companies) --
Foreign Investor buys E for $43 from the bank
-- Round: 13 Phase: 6 (Corporations Buys Companies) --
Android buys HH for $70 from Bryan Eastman
Saturn buys HR for $25 from Android
Saturn passes
Jupiter offers $58 for E
Wheel buys E for $58 from Foreign Investor
Wheel buys FS for $19 from Horse
Wheel passes
An-Jen T: Bryan, I was wondering if you might be willing to sell me BR for say 35.
Bryan Eastman: yep
Orion buys HA for $24 from Bear
Orion buys OPC for $35 from Eagle
Orion buys FR for $30 from Eagle
Eagle offers $26 for BR
Eagle offers $26 for SZD
Eagle offers $20 for DSB
Eagle buys DSB for $20 from Saturn
Saturn declines to sell SZD to Eagle for $26
Android declines to sell BR to Eagle for $26
Orion buys MAD for $23 from Eagle
Bear passes
Orion passes
DanielB: An Jen... how are your instincts serving you on your decision?
DanielB: An-Jen - do you want to sell Orion TSI, so that you can pay dividends with Jupiter now. I'll give you the $140....
Jupiter offers $35 for BR
An-Jen T: In hingsight, I'm not sure I had a path to the lead no matter what I did. The main reason I did not let Eric take it was that I knew I did not have good choices. I did not want to buy Orion. Eric did not care since he was going to lose no matter what. I knew that if I bought even 2 shares of Orion, while it might have helped me, it would have just handed the win to you.
An-Jen T: The error in retrospect, was not negotiating a deal with Eric to say, let him have it for $100, but promise to sell it to me for something less than $140, say, $125 or $130 on the last turn. I still would have lost, but it would have made things more difficult for you. Alas, I didn't think of it at the time.
DanielB: true... that would have been a decent path for you...true, I would have gotten less out of it...however, without the stock bumps in the stock round, I would have been able to dividend FULL each time, and buy cheaper shares this round (getting to 6), and would not have made a big difference
DanielB: Certainly, TSI wasn't worth more than $100 for either of you....
Eric H.: Actually by the time I made the decision to bid on TSI I had already thought about casting my lot with Daniel. I was trying to price enforce and it was a stupid and dangerous decsion since buying Orion was a no-brainer to get out of last place. I got lucky you did not let me eat it.
Eric H.: I also think that Paul should not have cut the deal with Daniel that let him put massive cash reserves into Bear and reconsitute with lnon-obsolete companies.
DanielB: Eric, what deal are you referring to? - By the Way - I am cool with Bryan as anchor. His overbidding on BSR for $44 when he should have sold a share and bought a blue, or E at the very least. Then he bought it in for far less than max... those are all maximin strategies... Eric, nice deal with me devil. Especially after you screwed me, and even more yourself, with all the DR nonsense...
Eric H.: I'm referring to the 3-Way deal where you got to unload NS and B on Paul and bought SJ from An-Jen.
Eric H.: If I had sold you DR the game would have been even more of a foregone conclusion.
DanielB: Oh yeah. Paul benefitted hugely from NS and B. I also benefited a fir amount from SJ - I'm not sure what An-Jen got out of the deal. it was Paul's creation...
DanielB: you needed to sell me DR when I said the very first time I could give you $35 for it. Would have changed everything, that cash would have got you a very early green.....you would have been a contender! (though you might well catch an-jen, not sure about Paul...
Jupiter buys BR for $35 from Android
Paul B: An-Jen, what do you want with BR?
Jupiter passes
-- Round: 13 Phase: 7 (Close Companies) --
MM passes
LE passes
BR passes
AL passes
HA passes
OPC passes
FR passes
MAD passes
TSI passes
VP passes
CDG passes
E passes
FS passes
OL passes
PR passes
DR passes
B passes
NS passes
BSR passes
PKP passes
SZD passes
HR passes
-- Round: 13 Phase: 8 (Collect Income) --
Wheel collects $52 income
Eagle collects $-4 income
Orion collects $127 income
Jupiter collects $68 income
Saturn collects $21 income
Bear collects $2 income
Horse collects $-2 income
Android collects $15 income
DanielB collects $0 income
Bryan Eastman collects $0 income
Paul B collects $0 income
An-Jen T collects $25 income
Eric H. collects $0 income
Foreign Investor collects $5 income
-- Round: 13 Phase: 9 (Pay Dividends And Adjust Share Prices) --
Wheel pays $8 dividends - Paul B receives $24
Wheel changes share price from $60 to $66
Eagle pays $16 dividends - DanielB receives $16
Eagle changes share price from $50 to $37
Orion pays $12 dividends - DanielB receives $48 - Eric H. receives $48
Orion changes share price from $45 to $50
Jupiter pays $4 dividends - Paul B receives $4 - An-Jen T receives $8
Jupiter changes share price from $41 to $45
Jupiter changes share price from $45 to $55
Saturn pays $4 dividends - Bryan Eastman receives $12
Saturn changes share price from $26 to $28
Saturn changes share price from $28 to $31
Bear pays $5 dividends - DanielB receives $5
Bear changes share price from $24 to $22
Bear changes share price from $22 to $18
Horse pays $2 dividends - Paul B receives $2
Horse changes share price from $20 to $16
Android pays $0 dividends
Android changes share price from $15 to $14
Android changes share price from $14 to $13
Android passes
-- Round: 13 Phase: 10 (Check Game End) --
-- Round: 14 Phase: 1 (Issue New Shares) --
Wheel passes
Jupiter passes
Orion issues a share and receives $45
Orion changes share price from $50 to $45
Eagle issues a share and receives $34
Eagle changes share price from $37 to $34
Saturn passes
Bear passes
-- Round: 14 Phase: 2 (Form Corporations) --
An-Jen T forms corporation Ship with TSI at $28 - 8 shares issued.
-- Round: 14 Phase: 3 (Auctions And Share Trading) --
An-Jen T: Ship is open for business! Buy while you can ...... Whereever it ends up, there will be a double price jump AND serious dividends ......
Ship changes share price from $28 to $37
DanielB buys share of Ship for $37
Saturn changes share price from $31 to $41
Bryan Eastman buys share of Saturn for $41
Jupiter changes share price from $55 to $50
Paul B sells share of Jupiter for $50
An-Jen T passes
DanielB: Eric, It is good for Orion to be at $45 or $50. It's not too good for it to be at $55
DanielB: how about a combined assault on Android, to feed to Orion.. you can feed me shares until i take it over... then you can buy the 5th share of Orion, and I'll feed you Android's blue...?
DanielB: ^69 for HA, $24 for HH, net's Orion a $45 gain/9 shares = $5 per share
An-Jen T: or you can buy a share of Ship!
DanielB: ship will run outa gas at $55 and fall
Bryan Eastman: yes, eric, surely you can think of more/better ways to serve daniel's needs.
An-Jen T: So I do have a question, did it really make sense for Bryan to buy another share of Saturn? I don't quite see how that works out for him. Or am I missing somethibng. I was hoping he would buy Ship, which I think would have worked out nicely for both of us.
Eric H.: Well Brian, his needs are my needs as I own 4 shares of Orion. Plus I am vying for 3rd place with An-Jen so buying Jupiter is not an option.
Eric H.: Prepare to be boarded! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_xnfQMSzXQ
Android changes share price from $13 to $14
Eric H. buys share of Android for $14
Eric H.: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSO9OFJNMBA
Eric H.: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNlYBNTCBG8
Android changes share price from $14 to $15
DanielB buys share of Android for $15
DanielB: An Jen, IMO it most certainly did not make sense
Eric H.: I think the plan was to gut Android to support the share jump that came from the buying Saturn. It would have been much safer to wait to see whether Daniel was going to launch his takeover before making the buy. No one else was going to buy Saturn in its current state.
Bryan Eastman: The Saturn buy was a chance to get a10price home on my previously existing 3 shares.
Bryan Eastman passes
DanielB: Bryan. While that’s true. It’s temporary. You can’t support the price take a look at company and math. And you had a beautiful chance to buy a star for $41
DanielB: Eric. How do you want to play this? Maybe u sell android and I can buy android and then u buy Orion? Or vice versa?
Eric H.: I'll sell Android and buy Orion.
DanielB: Fine by me
Wheel changes share price from $66 to $60
Paul B sells share of Wheel for $60
Bryan Eastman: um, i don't need to "support the price", game ends this turn. just need to end up where dropping two spots is still ahead of where I started.
An-Jen T passes
Android changes share price from $15 to $14
Eric H. sells share of Android for $14
Android changes share price from $14 to $15
DanielB buys share of Android for $15
DanielB becomes president of Android
Bryan Eastman passes
Paul B passes
An-Jen T passes
Orion changes share price from $45 to $55
Eric H. buys share of Orion for $55
Eric H. becomes president of Orion
Android changes share price from $15 to $20
DanielB buys share of Android for $20
Bryan Eastman passes
DanielB: Eric. I see $66 and a $4 dividend for Orion
DanielB: 👍
Ship changes share price from $37 to $45
Paul B buys share of Ship for $45
An-Jen T: Paul, welcome aboard!
An-Jen T passes
DanielB: where's the cash gonna go?
Eric H. passes
DanielB passes
Android changes share price from $20 to $22
Bryan Eastman buys share of Android for $22
Ship changes share price from $45 to $66
Paul B buys share of Ship for $66
Paul B: An-Jen, I'll do what I can to help push Ship to some sort of price increase. I haven't really planned this all out. I'm not sure we have the firepower.
An-Jen T: Got it.
Jupiter changes share price from $50 to $45
An-Jen T sells share of Jupiter for $45
Eric H. passes
DanielB passes
Android changes share price from $22 to $24
Bryan Eastman buys share of Android for $24
Paul B passes
DanielB: An Jen - what's the word? What a crazy auction round!
An-Jen T: It's a bit nuts at this point. I have no idea what I should do, if anything with my cash
An-Jen T passes
Eric H. passes
DanielB passes
Saturn changes share price from $41 to $37
Bryan Eastman sells share of Saturn for $37
Paul B passes
An-Jen T passes
Eric H. passes
DanielB: Bryan, can i talk you out of stealing Android? what if i give you an Orion share? If you do steal Android, I must warn you, you'll be a bit unhappy... as I'll sell my 3 shares
Orion changes share price from $55 to $50
DanielB sells share of Orion for $50
Android changes share price from $24 to $26
Bryan Eastman buys share of Android for $26
Bryan Eastman becomes president of Android
Bryan Eastman: you can't steal what is already yours.
Paul B passes
DanielB: the longest auction, ever
Orion changes share price from $50 to $55
An-Jen T buys share of Orion for $55
Eric H. passes
Jupiter changes share price from $45 to $50
DanielB buys share of Jupiter for $50
Bryan Eastman: Paul, do you want to unload horse?
Android changes share price from $26 to $24
Bryan Eastman sells share of Android for $24
Paul B: Bryan, Not particularly
Paul B: Daniiel, that’s quite a portfolio that you have!
Paul B passes
Eric H.: Daniel, may I ask why you violated our agreement and dumped as share of Orion?
An-Jen T passes
Eric H. passes
DanielB: selling one share to $50 had no effect on total return of Orion w/o Android... I'm inconclusive about what to do next, but the Orion cash gave me options... depending on what else happens...most of those options could be excellent for Orion...in a word, Optionality, for the betterment of orion... in retrospect, It may have been a small mistake, remains to be seen
Ship changes share price from $66 to $45
DanielB sells share of Ship for $45
DanielB: Are we having fun yet folks?
DanielB: or more like Waterboarding?
DanielB: Anybody read Niall Ferguson's new book?
DanielB: https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q%3Dtbn:ANd9GcQy0GSzebgWoB_LBrSaJyfMoMLDLFEM17Gl8_VsQl6wtHMEbs4a&imgrefurl=https://books.google.com/books/about/The_Square_and_the_Tower.html?id%3D1_otDwAAQBAJ%26source%3Dkp_cover&h=1080&w=702&tbnid=iWZWLAyCpBJ22M:&tbnh=160&tbnw=104&usg=__yXdR-6IiYKrQkYxK2KOxqHNsiWk%3D&vet=10ahUKEwjVlIrqtfHZAhVMImMKHSzxBggQ_B0IsQEwCg..i&docid=7ryXDpzMCfbtiM&itg=1&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjVlIrqtfHZAhVMImMKHSzxBggQ_B0IsQEwCg
Bryan Eastman passes
DanielB: Eric, You may be exceedingly pleased with this outcome....
Ship changes share price from $45 to $41
Paul B sells share of Ship for $41
Ship changes share price from $41 to $31
An-Jen T sells share of Ship for $31
Eric H. passes
Android changes share price from $24 to $22
DanielB sells share of Android for $22
DanielB: The great Rise and Fall of Ship... like a dot.com, hope sprung eternal for 4 rounds...catapulting the shares from $28 to $66 before reality broke through and the shares collapsed to $31...stay tuned
DanielB: Paul, thanks for the Kudos about the portfolio. It's withering now, but hopefully not as fast as everyone else's!
An-Jen T: To be honest, I just want this game to be over .....
Android changes share price from $22 to $20
Bryan Eastman sells share of Android for $20
Wheel changes share price from $60 to $66
Paul B buys share of Wheel for $66
An-Jen T passes
Eric H. passes
Jupiter changes share price from $50 to $60
DanielB buys share of Jupiter for $60
DanielB becomes president of Jupiter
Saturn changes share price from $37 to $41
Bryan Eastman buys share of Saturn for $41
Paul B passes
An-Jen T passes
Eric H. passes
Paul B: Bryan, if you can’t get Saturn to $45, goosing the share value won’t help you. You will still skip down past Eagle and Ship.
DanielB passes
Bryan Eastman passes
-- Round: 14 Phase: 4 (Determine New Player Order) --
New player order: An-Jen T, Bryan Eastman, Paul B, DanielB, Eric H.
-- Round: 14 Phase: 5 (Foreign Investor Buys Companies) --
-- Round: 14 Phase: 6 (Corporations Buys Companies) --
Android buys SZD for $43 from Saturn
Saturn buys HH for $24 from Android
Android buys PKP for $29 from Saturn
Orion offers $45 for LE
Orion offers $38 for MM
Orion buys LE for $45 from Jupiter
Orion buys MM for $38 from Jupiter
Jupiter passes
Eagle passes
Bear passes
Ship passes
Orion passes
Wheel buys B for $11 from Horse
Wheel buys NS for $11 from Horse
-- Round: 14 Phase: 7 (Close Companies) --
AL passes
HA passes
OPC passes
FR passes
MAD passes
LE passes
MM passes
BSR passes
HR passes
HH passes
SZD passes
PKP passes
Horse closes OL
Horse closes PR
VP passes
CDG passes
E passes
FS passes
B passes
NS passes
-- Round: 14 Phase: 8 (Collect Income) --
Wheel collects $32 income
Jupiter collects $-4 income
Orion collects $201 income
Saturn collects $28 income
Eagle collects $-10 income
Ship collects $25 income
Android collects $-10 income
Bear collects $-4 income
Horse collects $-10 income
An-Jen T collects $0 income
Bryan Eastman collects $0 income
Paul B collects $0 income
DanielB collects $0 income
Eric H. collects $0 income
Foreign Investor collects $5 income
-- Round: 14 Phase: 9 (Pay Dividends And Adjust Share Prices) --
Wheel pays $1 dividends - Paul B receives $3
Wheel changes share price from $66 to $73
Wheel changes share price from $73 to $81
Jupiter pays $20 dividends - An-Jen T receives $20 - DanielB receives $40
Jupiter changes share price from $60 to $50
Orion pays $17 dividends - An-Jen T receives $17 - DanielB receives $51 - Eric H. receives $85
Orion changes share price from $55 to $60
Orion changes share price from $60 to $66
Saturn pays $3 dividends - Bryan Eastman receives $12
Saturn changes share price from $41 to $37
Eagle pays $10 dividends - DanielB receives $10
Eagle changes share price from $34 to $28
Ship pays $0 dividends
Ship changes share price from $31 to $34
Android pays $0 dividends
Android changes share price from $20 to $15
Android passes
Bear pays $0 dividends
Bear changes share price from $18 to $14
DanielB: Paul, you played a really good game up to round 12 or 13.... just gotta get some better understanding of the endgame...
DanielB: An-Jen - you also played a nice solid game... like Paul, the endgame tripped you up... and overpay for TSI didn't help....
DanielB: Bryan, hope you learned a lot from this game... It's all about the permanent trains (blues and purples)... everything else is simply a vehicle to get to those beefy synergies and endgame engines...
DanielB: then the stock market, is an unforgiving beast... I got lucky in finding a partner in Bryan, though left to my own, I think without his support, I would have still competed well for first with my set up... switching to buying shares to early is often a mistake...trying to acquire the most blue and purple companies you can is usally a better tactic.....hope that helps. Thanks for the really interesting game Gentlemen!
Horse pays $1 dividends - Paul B receives $1
Horse changes share price from $16 to $13
-- Round: 14 Phase: 10 (Check Game End) --
Game over. DanielB ($484), Eric H. ($423), Paul B ($321), An-Jen T ($314), Bryan Eastman ($223)
DanielB: An-Jen - I've made that mistake before, selling down my company in final round before the company swap, and losing it in the process. OUCH! What everyone think of that arduous last stock round?
Eric H.: I suspect every one is worn out and demoralized. The "Devils Deal" I made to help propel you to the win and myself into second place was well executed but did not reflect any a particular skill in game play on my part.
Eric H.: That must rankle everyone that finished behind me.
An-Jen T: I actually saw it coming but I forgot to recalculate how much I got for selling Ship. Should have sold Orion, but at that point the game was lost anyway.
Players
AN-JEN T
Player
$96
Cash
$314
Value
$0
Income
1
Order
Jupiter
Ship
Orion
Corp
1
* 3
1
Shares
$50
$34
$66
Price
$50
$102
$66
Value
BRYAN EASTMAN
Player
$45
Cash
$223
Value
$0
Income
2
Order
Saturn
Android
Corp
* 4
* 2
Shares
$37
$15
Price
$148
$30
Value
PAUL B
Player
$31
Cash
$321
Value
$0
Income
3
Order
Horse
Wheel
Ship
Corp
* 1
* 3
1
Shares
$13
$81
$34
Price
$13
$243
$34
Value
DANIELB
Player
$114
Cash
$484
Value
$0
Income
4
Order
Bear
Eagle
Orion
Android
Jupiter
Corp
* 1
* 1
3
2
* 2
Shares
$14
$28
$66
$15
$50
Price
$14
$28
$198
$30
$100
Value
ERIC H.
Player
$93
Cash
$423
Value
$0
Income
5
Order
Orion
Corp
* 5
Shares
$66
Price
$330
Value
Corporations
Wheel
Corporation
$33
Cash
$292
Value
$32
Income
$81
Price
VP
Company
$80
Value
($40-$118)
Range
$25
Income
+$8
MAD [45]
LHR [54]
CDG [56]
+$16
LE [90]
TSI [100]
CDG
Company
$56
Value
($28-$79)
Range
$15
Income
+$4
SNCF [24]
SBB [26]
E [43]
+$8
FR [60]
VP [80]
LE [90]
E
Company
$43
Value
($22-$58)
Range
$-6
Income
+$4
NS [21]
B [22]
SNCF [24]
BR [33]
HA [47]
HR [49]
LHR [54]
CDG [56]
FS
Company
$37
Value
($19-$51)
Range
$-6
Income
+$4
SNCF [24]
KK [25]
SBB [26]
B
Company
$22
Value
($11-$28)
Range
$-10
Income
+$2
PR [19]
+$4
NS [21]
SNCF [24]
DR [29]
E [43]
HA [47]
HR [49]
NS
Company
$21
Value
($11-$27)
Range
$-10
Income
+$2
OL [14]
PR [19]
+$4
B [22]
DR [29]
E [43]
HA [47]
HR [49]
President
PAUL B
Issued Shares
4
Shares In Bank
1
Synergy Bonus
$24
Info
Price
$360 - ∞
$100
$324-$359
$90
$292-$323
$73
$0 - $291
$66
Value
Price
Orion
Corporation
$67
Cash
$540
Value
$201
Income
$66
Price
LE
Company
$90
Value
($45-$129)
Range
$25
Income
+$8
MAD [45]
LHR [54]
CDG [56]
FRA [58]
+$16
MM [75]
VP [80]
TSI [100]
AL
Company
$86
Value
($43-$124)
Range
$25
Income
+$8
HA [47]
HH [48]
HR [49]
+$16
OPC [70]
RCC [71]
TSI [100]
MM
Company
$75
Value
($38-$112)
Range
$25
Income
+$8
LHR [54]
FRA [58]
+$16
LE [90]
TSI [100]
OPC
Company
$70
Value
($35-$107)
Range
$25
Income
+$16
RU [85]
AL [86]
TSI [100]
FR
Company
$60
Value
($30-$84)
Range
$15
Income
+$8
MAD [45]
LHR [54]
CDG [56]
FRA [58]
HA
Company
$47
Value
($24-$69)
Range
$15
Income
+$4
NS [21]
B [22]
SNCF [24]
E [43]
+$8
RU [85]
AL [86]
MAD
Company
$45
Value
($23-$67)
Range
$15
Income
+$4
RENFE [32]
+$8
FR [60]
VP [80]
LE [90]
President
ERIC H.
Issued Shares
9
Shares In Bank
0
Synergy Bonus
$56
Info
Price
$657 - ∞
$81
$594-$656
$73
$540-$593
$60
$0 - $539
$55
Value
Price
Jupiter
Corporation
$34
Cash
$67
Value
$-4
Income
$50
Price
BR
Company
$33
Value
($17-$46)
Range
$-4
Income
+$4
E [43]
LHR [54]
President
DANIELB
Issued Shares
6
Shares In Bank
3
Synergy Bonus
$0
Info
Price
$330 - ∞
$60
$300-$329
$55
$270-$299
$45
$0 - $269
$41
Value
Price
Saturn
Corporation
$86
Cash
$223
Value
$28
Income
$37
Price
HR
Company
$49
Value
($25-$71)
Range
$15
Income
+$4
NS [21]
B [22]
DR [29]
E [43]
+$8
RU [85]
AL [86]
HH
Company
$48
Value
($24-$70)
Range
$15
Income
+$4
DSB [20]
PKP [23]
DR [29]
BSR [40]
+$8
RU [85]
AL [86]
BSR
Company
$40
Value
($20-$54)
Range
$-6
Income
+$4
DSB [20]
PKP [23]
DR [29]
SJ [30]
HH [48]
President
BRYAN EASTMAN
Issued Shares
6
Shares In Bank
2
Synergy Bonus
$4
Info
Price
$246 - ∞
$45
$222-$245
$41
$204-$221
$34
$0 - $203
$31
Value
Price
Ship
Corporation
$149
Cash
$249
Value
$25
Income
$34
Price
TSI
Company
$100
Value
($50-$140)
Range
$25
Income
+$16
OPC [70]
RCC [71]
MM [75]
VP [80]
RU [85]
AL [86]
LE [90]
President
AN-JEN T
Issued Shares
8
Shares In Bank
4
Synergy Bonus
$0
Info
Price
$296 - ∞
$41
$272-$295
$37
$248-$271
$31
$0 - $247
$28
Value
Price
Eagle
Corporation
$0
Cash
$20
Value
$-10
Income
$28
Price
DSB
Company
$20
Value
($10-$26)
Range
$-10
Income
+$2
OL [14]
MS [17]
PR [19]
+$4
DR [29]
BSR [40]
HH [48]
President
DANIELB
Issued Shares
5
Shares In Bank
4
Synergy Bonus
$0
Info
Price
$155 - ∞
$34
$140-$154
$31
$130-$139
$26
$0 - $129
$24
Value
Price
Android
Corporation
$17
Cash
$71
Value
$-10
Income
$15
Price
SZD
Company
$31
Value
($16-$43)
Range
$-4
Income
+$4
PKP [23]
PKP
Company
$23
Value
($12-$29)
Range
$-10
Income
+$2
SX [16]
MS [17]
PR [19]
+$4
KK [25]
DR [29]
SZD [31]
BSR [40]
HH [48]
FRA [58]
President
BRYAN EASTMAN
Issued Shares
10
Shares In Bank
6
Synergy Bonus
$4
Info
Price
$160 - ∞
$18
$150-$159
$16
$140-$149
$14
$0 - $139
$13
Value
Price
Bear
Corporation
$3
Cash
$33
Value
$-4
Income
$14
Price
SJ
Company
$30
Value
($15-$42)
Range
$-4
Income
+$4
BSR [40]
President
DANIELB
Issued Shares
6
Shares In Bank
5
Synergy Bonus
$0
Info
Price
$90 - ∞
$16
$84-$89
$15
$78-$83
$13
$0 - $77
$12
Value
Price
Horse
Corporation
$5
Cash
$34
Value
$-10
Income
$13
Price
DR
Company
$29
Value
($15-$36)
Range
$-10
Income
+$2
WT [11]
BD [12]
BY [13]
OL [14]
HE [15]
SX [16]
MS [17]
PR [19]
+$4
DSB [20]
NS [21]
B [22]
PKP [23]
SNCF [24]
KK [25]
SBB [26]
BSR [40]
HH [48]
HR [49]
FRA [58]
President
PAUL B
Issued Shares
10
Shares In Bank
9
Synergy Bonus
$0
Info
Price
$140 - ∞
$15
$130-$139
$14
$120-$129
$12
$0 - $119
$11
Value
Price
Foreign Investor
Foreign Investor
Automated Player
$71
Cash
$5
Income
Available Companies
Pending Companies
Deck (Cost of Ownership for red, orange, yellow, green $16)
Share Prices
0
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
Horse
14
Bear
15
Android
16
18
20
22
24
26
28
Eagle
31
34
Ship
37
Saturn
41
45
50
Jupiter
55
60
66
Orion
73
81
Wheel
90
100
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