Round: 14 Phase: 10 (Check Game End)
DanielB bids $7 for KME
DanielB: Gentlemen, let's remember to use the "leave auction early" button. For example, I bid $7 on KME. If anyone bid's $8, I already know I'm not willing to go to $9, so I click on "leave auction early button" so that if I am overbid, the system knows I'm "out" and will autoskip me when the bid comes around, thereby moving the game along at a better clip....
DanielB: If you know you will not be selling any of your shares, nor can you participate in the bidding (low cash), then click on the "auto skip" auctions and trading, so that we get through the rounds quicker...
Eric H.: We are hoping to keep a pace of players checking and doing their turn at LEAST once a day. As with our last game, please let the other players know if you anticipate temporary problems keeping up with the expected pace of play. Life happens, but it is good to let the other players know when there will be delays.
Eric H.: Bryan, are you there?
DanielB: Yeah. Bryan this is a bit disappointing. Can you get the game on your phone?
Paul B: Geez, you two. Relax. We just went live on this game Tuesday night. I want a game that moves relatively quickly, too, but lets hold off on the crucifixion for just a bit, shall we?
Bryan Eastman leaves auction
Bryan Eastman: sorry guys, there must have been a snafu somehow; I didn't get the notification that this was starting until 3 hours ago (10pm 11/30 PST) I'll definitely be faster in future.
An-Jen T bids $8 for KME
Eric H. bids $9 for KME
An-Jen T: I've noticed that there is a delay at times for getting notified, on the order of several hours .....
DanielB: Eric. $4 over face? That’s a good way to fall behind...
Eric H.: Well Daniel the bid is done. So I don't see any point in commenting on it unless you are suggesting that I ask Toby for a RollBack.
Paul B leaves auction
DanielB leaves auction
An-Jen T leaves auction
Eric H. buys KME for $9 from the bank
Bryan Eastman bids $6 for AKE
An-Jen T bids $9 for AKE
Eric H. leaves auction
Paul B leaves auction
DanielB leaves auction
Bryan Eastman leaves auction
An-Jen T buys AKE for $9 from the bank
An-Jen T bids $10 for BPM
Eric H. leaves auction
Paul B leaves auction
DanielB leaves auction
Bryan Eastman bids $11 for BPM
An-Jen T leaves auction
Bryan Eastman buys BPM for $11 from the bank
Eric H. bids $3 for BME
Paul B leaves auction
DanielB leaves auction
Bryan Eastman bids $4 for BME
Eric H.: Taking one for the team, eh?
An-Jen T leaves auction
Eric H. leaves auction
Bryan Eastman buys BME for $4 from the bank
Paul B bids $3 for BSE
DanielB bids $4 for BSE
DanielB: damn....wrong game...
Eric H.: Thats why I don't like playing in multiple games. Too easy to get confused.
Bryan Eastman bids $5 for BSE
An-Jen T leaves auction
Eric H. leaves auction
Paul B leaves auction
Eric H.: Looks like you dodged the bullet Daniel.
DanielB leaves auction
Bryan Eastman buys BSE for $5 from the bank
-- Round: 1 Phase: 4 (Determine New Player Order) --
New player order: DanielB, Paul B, An-Jen T, Eric H., Bryan Eastman
-- Round: 1 Phase: 5 (Foreign Investor Buys Companies) --
-- Round: 1 Phase: 6 (Corporations Buys Companies) --
-- Round: 1 Phase: 7 (Close Companies) --
AKE passes
KME passes
BPM passes
BME passes
BSE passes
-- Round: 1 Phase: 8 (Collect Income) --
DanielB collects $0 income
Paul B collects $0 income
An-Jen T collects $2 income
Eric H. collects $2 income
Bryan Eastman collects $4 income
Foreign Investor collects $5 income
-- Round: 1 Phase: 9 (Pay Dividends And Adjust Share Prices) --
-- Round: 1 Phase: 10 (Check Game End) --
-- Round: 2 Phase: 1 (Issue New Shares) --
-- Round: 2 Phase: 2 (Form Corporations) --
Bryan Eastman forms corporation Jupiter with BPM at $10 - 2 shares issued.
AKE passes
KME passes
BSE passes
BME passes
-- Round: 2 Phase: 3 (Auctions And Share Trading) --
Bryan Eastman: did I miss my chance to put BSE into Jupiter? or does that happen later?
Eric H.: Phase 6. See the log for the previous round for the phase summary.
Eric H.: Since there are no corporations in the beginning, it was skipped for round 1.
An-Jen T: Happens later
Bryan Eastman: cool, thanks
DanielB bids $8 for MHE
Paul B bids $9 for MHE
An-Jen T leaves auction
Eric H. bids $10 for MHE
Bryan Eastman bids $11 for MHE
DanielB: You are all nuts. This is v 1. Reds suck!
DanielB leaves auction
Paul B leaves auction
Eric H. leaves auction
Bryan Eastman buys MHE for $11 from the bank
Eric H.: No one is getting anything for cheap. Did you really expect MHE would go for less than $10?
Paul B bids $12 for WT
An-Jen T leaves auction
Bryan Eastman: will it auto pass for me now, or will I have to click the button?
Eric H.: I believ if you don't have enough money to bid on anything it will skip you.
Eric H. bids $13 for WT
DanielB leaves auction
DanielB: strong bid!-nice...
Paul B leaves auction
Eric H. buys WT for $13 from the bank
Eric H.: No one is going to pick up two Oranges on the same turn on my watch.
Bryan Eastman: :)
DanielB: I did. I rd 2
An-Jen T bids $19 for PR
Bryan Eastman: couple rules lawyer-y questions: Are we limited to 10 corps? e.g. If I make 8 corporations, are you guys fighting over the last two? Second, can corps buy back shares? I didn't see anywhere they could do that, but I want to make sure I'm not missing anything
DanielB: no share buy backs. only 10 corps at one time. re-read the rules, they are really precise
DanielB leaves auction
Paul B bids $20 for PR
Eric H.: On the same turn? Maybe next turn if you pass and give another turn of income.
An-Jen T leaves auction
Paul B buys PR for $20 from the bank
DanielB bids $17 for MS
An-Jen T bids $18 for MS
DanielB leaves auction
An-Jen T buys MS for $18 from the bank
DanielB bids $15 for HE
DanielB buys HE for $15 from the bank
DanielB: Bryan, will you dividend with Jupiter this round... I'd buy a share if you would dividend $2 or $3
DanielB: if you dividend $2, it's best... buy in MHE-BSE - book value of $17, income of $7 = $24 book value - pay $1 dividend - rise to $12 a share, hmmm, I sell, not so great..nvm, I guess I'll just pass - in v.2 shares are more valuable than v.1
DanielB passes
-- Round: 2 Phase: 4 (Determine New Player Order) --
New player order: DanielB, Paul B, Eric H., An-Jen T, Bryan Eastman
-- Round: 2 Phase: 5 (Foreign Investor Buys Companies) --
-- Round: 2 Phase: 6 (Corporations Buys Companies) --
Jupiter buys MHE for $10 from Bryan Eastman
Jupiter buys BSE for $3 from Bryan Eastman
-- Round: 2 Phase: 7 (Close Companies) --
BPM passes
MHE passes
BSE passes
HE passes
PR passes
KME passes
WT passes
AKE passes
MS passes
BME passes
-- Round: 2 Phase: 8 (Collect Income) --
Jupiter collects $7 income
DanielB collects $3 income
Paul B collects $3 income
Eric H. collects $5 income
An-Jen T collects $5 income
Bryan Eastman collects $1 income
Foreign Investor collects $5 income
-- Round: 2 Phase: 9 (Pay Dividends And Adjust Share Prices) --
Jupiter pays $3 dividends - Bryan Eastman receives $3
Jupiter changes share price from $10 to $9
-- Round: 2 Phase: 10 (Check Game End) --
-- Round: 3 Phase: 1 (Issue New Shares) --
Jupiter issues a share and receives $8
Jupiter changes share price from $9 to $8
-- Round: 3 Phase: 2 (Form Corporations) --
Paul B forms corporation Bear with PR at $10 - 4 shares issued.
MS passes
DanielB forms corporation Android with HE at $15 - 2 shares issued.
WT passes
AKE passes
KME passes
BME passes
-- Round: 3 Phase: 3 (Auctions And Share Trading) --
DanielB bids $12 for BD
Eric H. leaves auction
Bryan Eastman bids $13 for BD
DanielB leaves auction
Bryan Eastman buys BD for $13 from the bank
DanielB: Was that price enforcement Bryan? Because now you won’t get the 3 synergies that SX offers you
DanielB: And you dividended strong to get to $17. I thought to bid on SX?
Bear changes share price from $10 to $9
Paul B sells share of Bear for $9
Bryan Eastman: yes, price enforcement; also I expect competition for SX, so wasn't confident I could get it cheap
DanielB: Bryan. I’m a huge fan of price enforcement. But when u are 15-25 percent behind. It’s not your job.
DanielB: Also. In v1. Oranges are no great bargain. Yellows pay 100 percent more
DanielB: I’m just pointing out things along the way. I hope you appreciate it. If not. Just tell me and I’ll shush
Bryan Eastman: All good. :) But I also like to play aggressively, especially when I don't know some of {game, players}. It's just more fun than cautious, opportunistic play when I can't see that far ahead.
Bear changes share price from $9 to $10
Eric H. buys share of Bear for $10
Jupiter changes share price from $8 to $9
An-Jen T buys share of Jupiter for $9
Bryan Eastman passes
DanielB: Bryan... that's cool
DanielB bids $13 for BY
Paul B leaves auction
DanielB buys BY for $13 from the bank
Paul B bids $16 for SX
Paul B buys SX for $16 from the bank
Eric H. passes
An-Jen T: Bryan I think it will be mutually beneficial for your Corp to acquire AKE from me this turn...
An-Jen T passes
Bryan Eastman passes
DanielB: let's remember to press that "pass next turn" button, if you are all done with the round...enjoy those reds, maintenance will kick in next turn of $1 each
Paul B passes
-- Round: 3 Phase: 4 (Determine New Player Order) --
New player order: DanielB, Paul B, Eric H., Bryan Eastman, An-Jen T
-- Round: 3 Phase: 5 (Foreign Investor Buys Companies) --
Foreign Investor buys OL for $14 from the bank
-- Round: 3 Phase: 6 (Corporations Buys Companies) --
Bear buys SX for $20 from Paul B
Jupiter offers $7 for AKE
Jupiter buys BME for $2 from Bryan Eastman
Jupiter passes
Bear passes
Android buys BY for $15 from DanielB
Jupiter buys AKE for $7 from An-Jen T
-- Round: 3 Phase: 7 (Close Companies) --
BPM passes
MHE passes
BSE passes
BME passes
AKE passes
PR passes
SX passes
HE passes
BY passes
KME passes
WT passes
BD passes
MS passes
-- Round: 3 Phase: 8 (Collect Income) --
Android collects $8 income
Bear collects $8 income
Jupiter collects $12 income
DanielB collects $0 income
Paul B collects $0 income
Eric H. collects $5 income
Bryan Eastman collects $3 income
An-Jen T collects $3 income
Foreign Investor collects $8 income
-- Round: 3 Phase: 9 (Pay Dividends And Adjust Share Prices) --
Android pays $1 dividends - DanielB receives $1
Android changes share price from $15 to $16
Android changes share price from $16 to $18
Bear pays $0 dividends
Bear changes share price from $10 to $11
Bear changes share price from $11 to $12
Bear passes
Jupiter pays $1 dividends - Bryan Eastman receives $1 - An-Jen T receives $1
Jupiter changes share price from $9 to $10
Jupiter changes share price from $10 to $11
-- Round: 3 Phase: 10 (Check Game End) --
-- Round: 4 Phase: 1 (Issue New Shares) --
DanielB: Eric. Are you interested in selling wt?
DanielB: Bryan, are you interested in selling bd?
Android issues a share and receives $16
Android changes share price from $18 to $16
Bear issues a share and receives $10
Bear changes share price from $12 to $10
Jupiter issues a share and receives $9
Jupiter changes share price from $11 to $9
-- Round: 4 Phase: 2 (Form Corporations) --
Bryan Eastman: I'll sell for 15
Eric H.: I'll sell for $14
MS passes
BD passes
DanielB: Who will take $1 less than max now? I will buy the other next turn if we can agree to a price. It’s always tougher the closer we get to orange maintainance
DanielB: Bryan. Do we have a deal at $14? I’m inclined to do business with u first due to Eric’s lead on you
DanielB: On the other hand. Maybe I should do business with Eric first since you may be able to hold out for a green...
WT passes
KME passes
-- Round: 4 Phase: 3 (Auctions And Share Trading) --
Eric H.: A negotiated deal at this point gives Daniel a huge information advantage. I am not comitting to anything and frankly neither should Brian. We have both indicated our sell price.
DanielB bids $21 for NS
Paul B bids $22 for NS
Paul B buys NS for $22 from the bank
Paul B passes
Eric H. passes
Paul B: Bryan, Keep in mind that the "income" phase comes after the "sell corporations" phase, so selling BD for $14 would cost you (personally) $1 of value. That is not to discourage you from making whatever deal you feel makes sense but just to offer a point of clarification. You likely realize this, but I wanted to point it out because sometime the phase order gets people screwed up.
Bryan Eastman passes
DanielB: Eric is very much correct. Of course $14 can be spent investing in new tech which lasts much longer a bit more. Theoretically the value of a company declines by half to all of the income received each turn. So an equal bid of $14 this round would be $11 next round. The ora ge become breakeven upon the firs blue on deck.
Jupiter changes share price from $9 to $11
An-Jen T buys share of Jupiter for $11
An-Jen T becomes president of Jupiter
DanielB: How cool!
Android changes share price from $16 to $18
DanielB buys share of Android for $18
Bryan Eastman: well, there goes my plan to burn Jupiter to the ground on my way out. :P
Eric H.: That's not theonly company that's going to change hands this turn ;)
Eric H.: Dang, I just woke up. For some reason I thought I had enough money to buy a share of Bear.
Eric H.: Well, that sucks. Paul, I want to let you know that if you issue yet ANOTHER damn share of Android next turn I WILL happily engage in low cost ways to hurt you the rest of the game.
Eric H.: Sorry, I meant Bear not Android. Still waking up.
Paul B passes
Eric H. passes
Bryan Eastman passes
An-Jen T passes
DanielB passes
-- Round: 4 Phase: 4 (Determine New Player Order) --
New player order: Eric H., Bryan Eastman, DanielB, Paul B, An-Jen T
-- Round: 4 Phase: 5 (Foreign Investor Buys Companies) --
-- Round: 4 Phase: 6 (Corporations Buys Companies) --
Paul B: Reuters – Bear Corp. CEO, Hugh G. Swindell released the following statement, “It has come to my attention that some of our shareholders are concerned about the dilutive effects of our latest stock offering. I’d like to take this opportunity to reassure shareholders that management only has their best interests at heart. The latest accessing of capital markets will allow us to strengthen our competitive position through targeted acquisitions. While we are not disclosing any current acquisition targets at this time you can rest assured that we will carefully consider possible synergies and leverage our additional capital in the way that it can most effectively build shareholder value. I also feel that it is important to mention that we do not anticipate further access to capital markets in the upcoming quarter. Sales continue to be robust in all major product lines, and Bear Corporation’s technology continues to be second to none.”
Android offers $14 for BD
Android offers $4 for KME
Android offers $13 for WT
An-Jen T: I don't suppose Android or Bear might be interested in BME?
DanielB: Android is. I’d like to see if I get BD
DanielB: Gentlemen. If all agree, I’m willing to up my bids to 15-bd 5 to Kme and 2 for bme. Please confirm if those would be accepted. It’s a package deal.
Paul B: An-Jen, Bear would be interested for $1, but it appears you have a better offer if Daniel can get all the pieces lined up.
Eric H.: Brian, he need us more than we need him. He locked all his money n his stock. He NEEDS Android to double jump. No sweet deals!
Eric H. declines to sell KME to Android for $4
Eric H. declines to sell WT to Android for $13
DanielB: Eric. I don’t “need” any of you in my position.
DanielB: Let me know if I you will accept $5 for KME
DanielB: And who said anything about needing to get the stock price up!
DanielB: An Jen. I’m waiting to hear from Eric on Ken.
DanielB: kME
Paul B: Eric's analysis seems spot on to me.
DanielB: Paul. It's not. I can dividend myself $12 this turn, and $10 next turn, without any purchases. Then I can sell a share... So you see, I don't need the companies. But do their owner's need the liquidity?
Bryan Eastman declines to sell BD to Android for $14
Android offers $15 for BD
Bryan Eastman: Don't need liquidity at a premium. $15
Android buys BD for $15 from Bryan Eastman
Android offers $2 for BME
Bear offers $18 for OL
DanielB: offer for OL should autoexecute...
Paul B: It doesn't because Jupiter has right of first refusal.
Paul B: It won't execute until Jupiter either offers to buy it, buys something else (and doesn't have enough cash to buy it), or passes.
Bear passes
Bryan Eastman: huh; rollback also rolls back the chat?
Jupiter declines to buy OL from the Foreign Investor
Bear buys OL for $18 from Foreign Investor
Android buys BME for $2 from Jupiter
Jupiter passes
Bryan Eastman: Shouldn't the foreign investor have 18 more dollars? is there just a lag in display?
Paul B: Yes, I've noticed that before. For some reason their cash does not update until the next phase.
Android offers $5 for KME
Paul B: Eric, I expect you noticed this based on your previous comment but if you sell KME for $5 Daniel will be able to dividend himself. This would give him $25 (once he sells a share of Android) and it would be almost impossible to keep him from getting a yellow. Without the sale of KME he'll only have access to $23 and Bryan can freeze him out of yellows for this turn if he is of such a mind.
DanielB: Paul, again, what are you talking about? I'll have $12 + $3...$15....in either case....and if he sells KME, Eric has the option to take over Bear...possibly interesting...either way i'm fine. Buying KME is a win win. It's paid out $6 and getting face value for it is certainly a win for Eric too
DanielB: $7
Paul B: You'd have $3 (that you currently have) plus $2 (from the dividend that would be available if you get KME) plus $20 (from selling a share of Android after it has double jumped). My math puts this at $25. Is my math off?
DanielB: sure, you are off. i can dividend $12, have $3 cash, and sell a share for $14=$29
Paul B: That seems like a pretty dismal scenario. Holding 2 shares as they plummet from $20 to $14 seems sub-optimal to me. If you're willing to do that you would have certainly earned your yellow company.
Paul B: Correction: should be "from $18 to $14" not "from $20 to $14."
DanielB: company schumpany....there's 10 of them, they fall off trees like rain in V.1....I'm more keen for new capital... i can do the above, buy DR, form corp, suck in oranges, and dividend my last share of Android for max from 14-11-9-6 (4 rounds), to get another $10-$12 out of the last share...
DanielB: of course, If I buy KME, i'm less likely to do that....and Eric's position and financial flexibility is quite improved... so you see, I don't much care which way it goes Paul
Paul B: You might well be able to profitably extricate yourself from a crippled Android Corp. I will only say that if it were me, I would have a strong preference for the scenario in which I was able to obtain a yellow company without cannibalizing other assets.
Eric H. declines to sell KME to Android for $5
Eric H.: I am not giving you a company worth 3 income for books value. In two turns it earns back more than book. You need the company more than I do and you need to stop low-balling. I am not some rube that doesn't know the value of a syngergized company.
Android passes
-- Round: 4 Phase: 7 (Close Companies) --
HE passes
BY passes
BD passes
BME passes
PR passes
SX passes
OL passes
BPM passes
MHE passes
BSE passes
AKE passes
KME passes
WT passes
NS passes
MS passes
-- Round: 4 Phase: 8 (Collect Income) --
Android collects $15 income
Jupiter collects $7 income
Bear collects $13 income
Eric H. collects $4 income
Bryan Eastman collects $0 income
DanielB collects $0 income
Paul B collects $6 income
An-Jen T collects $3 income
Foreign Investor collects $5 income
-- Round: 4 Phase: 9 (Pay Dividends And Adjust Share Prices) --
Android pays $6 dividends - DanielB receives $12
Android changes share price from $18 to $16
Android changes share price from $16 to $15
Jupiter pays $2 dividends - Bryan Eastman receives $2 - An-Jen T receives $4
Jupiter changes share price from $11 to $9
Eric H.: Paul, I am probably going to take control of Bear so I can unload KME for a decent price. I will not screw the company. If you issue a share though
Eric H.: I will still take over Bear, buy KME and WT from myself for the Max and work with another player to split the profits from gutting the company.
DanielB: An Jen, I don't understand why you didn't buy in MS for it's 4 synergies? Would you like to help me understand? NP if you want to keep your thoughts underwraps... just curious....
DanielB: Eric, yes, it looks like that will definitely work. Although I don't imagine there will be much cash in Bear. Nor are there hardly any synergies to be had. You may like to let me know what you would sell WT and KME for in the 5th round....It's still an option
Eric H.: Because Jupiter is still undervalued. An-Jen is going to ride the Orange for the income just until the cost of ownership is about to rise. He will then buy his share for the max, dump his appreciated extra Jupiter share buy a nice Green putting as much money to work as possible.
Bear pays $0 dividends
Bear changes share price from $10 to $11
Bear changes share price from $11 to $12
-- Round: 4 Phase: 10 (Check Game End) --
-- Round: 5 Phase: 1 (Issue New Shares) --
Android passes
Bear passes
Jupiter issues a share and receives $8
Jupiter changes share price from $9 to $8
-- Round: 5 Phase: 2 (Form Corporations) --
NS passes
MS passes
An-Jen T: The main reason was that I was only going to get $18 for it. In retrospect, I think I should have stuck with my "accident" and jumped in front of Paul to buy OL from the foreign investor. I think I would have been able to get enough to then buy MS from myself for max the next turn which would have really cranked up the synergy.
An-Jen T: Live and learn....
Paul B: Even with the slight discount, buying MS from yourself would have been ideal. You would be at $24 cash, $48 value and Jupiter would be at $20 cash, $48 value, $14 income, $12 share price (assuming $2 dividend and issuing a share). Bryan is now feeling the perils of being a minority partner.
Paul B: Correction: I missed that the share issue would have skipped Jupiter past Bear. I think An-Jen would have been at ($24, $46) and Jupiter at ($20, $48,$14,$11). Of course, the share issue might not have happened in that scenario.
WT passes
KME passes
-- Round: 5 Phase: 3 (Auctions And Share Trading) --
Bear changes share price from $12 to $13
Eric H. buys share of Bear for $13
Eric H. becomes president of Bear
Eric H.: An-Jen, tough turn. Hold onto MS another turn and I can offer you max price for it. Or dump a share of Jupiter, buy a share of Bear and sell off the assets to Bear dirt cheap.
Paul B: I was sort of hoping that Bear would buy NS next turn. I think this would be way more advantageous than adding another soon to be obsolete orange.
Paul B: ...and a bunch of already obsolete reds.
Eric H.: Oddly enough, An-Jens weakened position makes it far more attractive to deal with him. Plus MS offers 6 synergy income versus 4 for NS
Paul B: $10 total income and new tech vs. $9 total income and old tech.
Eric H.: Not feeding your money pump keeps the old tech alive longer and slows you down. What's not to like.
Paul B: An-Jen can sell MS to Jupiter for the max this turn, so he doesn't need that portion of your deal offer.
Eric H.: Of course An-Jen could incoporate MS with 4 shares, issue a share of Jupiter, dump a a share of Jupiter next turn and use MS to gut Jupiter. It only needs to be alive for two turns to suck 20 cash and 9 book value out of it.
Eric H.: It would be interesting to pull off. I am fascinated with the mose efficient way to gut a company. You know with all the synergies it could work.
Eric H.: This movie inspires me to play this game: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yypj-aYtp9c
Eric H.: Reprehensible but fun.
Eric H.: Bear is perfectly situated to gut Jupiter two turns from now. Keep your options open An-Jen (or who ever owns Jupiter).
Jupiter changes share price from $8 to $9
Bryan Eastman buys share of Jupiter for $9
DanielB passes
Paul B passes
Eric H.: Brian, just remember MAX dividend payout PER share is 1/3 of the company share price. That means no more than $3 per share for Jupiter if you plan to take over Jupiter.
Eric H.: I would be OK with a Roll-back if you made that mistake. Cause I don't see how another share of Jupiter is better than picking up a Yellow company.
DanielB: I concur. Buying Jupiter seems much worse than buyimg a cheap yellow
DanielB: Roll back seems in order
Eric H.: I feel bad for Toby. All he does is roll-backs. Anyway, we need Brian to confirm before we bother Toby.
An-Jen T: I will wait until we hear from Brian....
Paul B: I'm good with a mulligan.
Bryan Eastman: I'm good; I have a cunning plan that cannot fa- succeed. That's how this works, right?
Bryan Eastman: I get $6 for $19, that's not better than $6 for $23?
An-Jen T passes
Eric H.: Righty oh, Baldric. Hope you have a good exit strategy.
Eric H. passes
Eric H.: Like all great plans, it starts with the words "hold my beer"
Jupiter changes share price from $9 to $10
Bryan Eastman buys share of Jupiter for $10
Bryan Eastman becomes president of Jupiter
Bryan Eastman: I *hic* don't know what you*hic*re talking about Eric
Eric H.: Oh boy, its going to be quite a ride for An-Jen. Brian I think you have what takes to work for the Treasury Department. I think Steve Mnuchin would like the cut of your jib.
Bryan Eastman: You say the nicest things Eric
Android changes share price from $15 to $14
DanielB sells share of Android for $14
Paul B passes
Eric H.: Well, if we can make MASSIVE tax cuts that will 100% be offset by higher revenues from growth, there is no reason that your plan can't work, conventional wisdom aside.
Jupiter changes share price from $10 to $9
An-Jen T sells share of Jupiter for $9
Eric H. passes
DanielB: An-Jen - all i can say, is selling MS for $1 more than face value in the 4th round is definitively an okay thing... then you could have dividended to boot. in this V.1 - getting cash to get a Green or a couple yellows is a huge deal
DanielB: trading in old companies for near par value is totally fine... Eric disagrees but that's his right...
An-Jen T: tx for the tip. one of my concerns, perhaps unwarranted, was that I would be squeezed out of a yellow. but in hindsight a dividend of 3 per share would have done the job....
Bryan Eastman passes
DanielB: Paul, I can offer you full value for NS, in 6.3
DanielB: 6.6
DanielB bids $29 for DR
DanielB buys DR for $29 from the bank
Bryan Eastman: An-Jen, if you buy back your jupiter stock, you can have control of the company again. I'll sell off all three shares and buy control of android.
Bryan Eastman: If you don't, I'll be a dollar short.
Bryan Eastman: Also, That will leave Daniel trapped without good options for at least 1 round, probably 2, and then we can work on knee capping the other two leaders.
DanielB: So let's see if I got this right, Bryan aggressively takes over Jupiter, and now asks that An Jen take it back over at higher prices than he sold....An-Jen - you'd be buying Jupiter at $10, in order to end up with two shares of Jupiter at $7
Paul B passes
DanielB: Bryan with his 3 shares of Jupiter NEEDS MS, so I really don't see how this is good for you... I will buy your MS from you if he doesn't come through with buying it...
An-Jen T: It's turning into a bit of a mess, but if I am projecting ahead correctly, it will allow me to buy BR for 33 next turn....
An-Jen T: which is tempting
Bryan Eastman: this isn't particularly _good_ for An-Jen. It's just a solid move that will help cripple one of the leaders. And actually, I can still pull it off if you agree and I sell first, so you get your share back at $9.
Bryan Eastman: I'd want some good will in exchange if I have to go first though. Future considerations.
An-Jen T: So what do the rest of you think? My original plan was to sell my last share of J to get enough for a yellow. Someone will buy MS from me this turn, which should leave enough to buy another yellow next turn. Alternatively I can agree to Brian's plan, which lead me to a green and 1 share of J since I will have to sell another share of J to get enough for the green. decisions....
Eric H.: Wait, you do a hostile takeover, regret your mistake, want him to bail you out so you can snatch up another corporation and say that he owes YOU a favor for doing so? Those are some titanium balls there.
Eric H.: An-Jen I also have interest in buying MS.
Eric H.: You are the belle of the ball!
Bryan Eastman: I'm not regretting a mistake. I was hoping Daniel would sell an android and buy a yellow before I had to buy the second share of Jupiter, but he didn't. So I bought the second share to tempt him into over exposing himself, which he did, but then An-Jen sold a share first before I could give the corp back. I can also play with holding Jupiter, but that leaves Daniel in a much stronger position, you and Paul in good shape, and me and An-Jen considerably behind. I'm trying to gang up on the leader.
Paul B: An-Jen, I'm not really a disinterested party, but given that Bryan was callateral damage from your last turn it would seem toe that a favor to him might not be out of line.
Paul B: "To me" not "toe"
Bryan Eastman: poor ol' toe. Always getting stepped on.
DanielB: an Jen, looks like you will be fine with suiters for MS. Getting the first green is golden...
DanielB: Bryan, i tried to be helpful to you, but you said you like to shoot first and contemplate second... where you at, we should play face to face? What's your top games, what do you love?
Paul B: The more I look at it the more it looks like a really big favor. It llooks like an-Jen would need to buy J at 10 and sell a share at $6 ( or not sell) to make your deal work. That sounds like way more than a little favor. Bryan would need to sell shares at 9,8 and 6 to get the $31 to take android.
DanielB: I'm going to host the 1st ever Rolling Stock tournament/Con in March/April 2018
Bryan Eastman: Seattle. Current favorite is Imperial, but mostly because I never get to play it any more. I'm really a fan of most (quality) games. Splendor, Istanbul, Evolution and Spirit Island are the ones I'm playing the most these days. With a nod to Eldritch Horror, One Night Ultimate Werewolf, and Tiny Epic Galaxies. Depends on who I'm playing with, of course.
Bryan Eastman: Paul: or 8,8,7, or 9,8,7
An-Jen T: what the heck, let's try something different. Bryan you have a deal and I will pass with the understanding that the favor is valued at $1. let me know you are good with that
DanielB: Brian, you are going to drive your net worth down to $32 to buy two shares of a company with only oranges in it and no cash?
DanielB: Meanwhile, my net worth will climb to $45, $44 after I sell Android, and yours falls to $30. While the rest of the players are in the low-40s, and you are doing this action to hurt me?
Bryan Eastman: sounds like a plan, Let's see how this goes. Eric, Paul, please remember to stab each other in the back. Early and Often!
An-Jen T passes
Eric H. passes
Jupiter changes share price from $9 to $8
Bryan Eastman sells share of Jupiter for $8
DanielB: LAST CHANCE TO TO STOP THE INSANITY - Brian, I predict now, that with this insanity, you will end up in a class of your own. The bottom class... alternatively, if I were you, I would now, sell one more Jupiter, and buy a yellow....
Bryan Eastman: heh; just realized that paul could screw this all up if he bought a jupiter share now; no, wait it could still work.
DanielB: then you can dividend jupiter, and let Bryan pump up the stock price buy buying it again, if he wants it...and at least you get a $6 a share paying yellow, and no eternal liability... by overtaking Android, you will be saddling yourself with a moribund share and no companies.... that won't end well.. maybe a late green if you are lucky
DanielB: i on the other hand, will lose 3 orange companies that could go with DR, but gain $15 of liquidity at once, to put into a Green... your choice!
DanielB: Or a yellow...
Bryan Eastman: Daniel, I was behind at the start of this turn. If I start playing conservatively, I will just slide farther and farther back. My only chance to make a play is to be super aggressive. Maybe (probably) I will fail. But losing by a smaller margin is not an attractive reason to concede defeat early.
DanielB: that describes my personality, exactly. but this isn't 1830... liabilities are heavier....
Bryan Eastman: ?? liabilities? it's a game. a few hours of time. Slim chance of glory (with learning!) is better than certain defeat (while only seeing the centerline path of how the game works).
DanielB: Android Liability.... I'll shut up now, I'm happy to lose the liability....and gain the liquidity
DanielB: See Eric's bemoaning about 3 presidencies on a road to nowhere- game? What was that Eric...
DanielB: #758
Paul B passes
Paul B: Bryan, The math on this whole takeover plan isn't really adding up for me, I'll be interested to see what I'm missing.
Eric H.: Brian, there is a 50% chance you will hand Daniel a Green next turn. That is $18 income for maybe $53 in capital outlay. He is going to have a BIG income lead going forward.
Eric H.: This has been the wackiest ga,e of RS I have ever played. Everything is out of skew and it is impossible to plan because of your aggresive play.
Eric H.: You may say it is only a game and a few hours of time but I don't think people want to go through that since this game can take weeks to pay out and the mental energy is substantial.
Eric H.: You should play the game to maximize your profits, not screw with other players. Not unless it makes you a lot of money.
Paul B: It's important to recognize two things about Rolling Stock: 1. that this game is entirely about liquidity and 2. that this game is all about liquidity.
Paul B: Eric, keep in mind that you have had several more tries at this game than either Bryan or An-Jen. Hopefully, your expectation for this game was such that you aren't too disappointed. There are lots of moving parts here.
Eric H.: I suspect that version 2.1 of rules of the Rolling stock game is more suitable for Bryan's style of play. I think Daniel could speak more to that since he has played in a few version 2.1 games.
Paul B: I don't think any of us had a style of play in our first game, We may have a style in which we approach first games in general, but I don't think you're being fair in your criticism.
DanielB: I continue to believe that it’s worse for me and Better for Bryan and an Jen if Bryan sells a Jupiter, buys pkp, and an Jen buys a Jupiter for $8. (Saving $1) from sale, and then sucks MS in for $21, and dividends for $2 a share giving him 9 plus 21 plus 4 in next round. And giving Brian a yellow and $8 and a share of Jupiter next round. Sure I lose the oranges. But the oranges aren’t worth $15 of liquidity (1/2 a green)
DanielB: In version 2.1 three Oranges are totally worth stealing. But in that game greens only pay $7. In this game they pay $12
DanielB: Funny enough. In that game greens are the strongest. IMO. But others don’t concur. Blues are relatively poor value. In this game cheap blues cheap greens and cheap purples are where the value is! Also. The north is weaker due to the absence of dsb (Denmark) and “B” Belgium...hence the relative strength of the Southern game (by,wt , by, )
Jupiter changes share price from $8 to $9
An-Jen T buys share of Jupiter for $9
Eric H. passes
Jupiter changes share price from $9 to $8
Bryan Eastman sells share of Jupiter for $8
An-Jen T becomes president of Jupiter
Bryan Eastman: how can Daniel get a green? he'll have $6 Dollars? and sell a share for 15+6=21? or is someone planning on bailing him out by buying his yellow?
DanielB: If I went public with dr then sold a share
Bryan Eastman: ahhh
Bryan Eastman: missed that. oops. so 5+17+15(?)=37 if you choose 10, or 5+14+15=34 @15 or... Meanwhile, An-Jen gets first green, then paul could do the same thing? hmmm... still seems unlikely that Daniel gets a green. An-Jen, I made the deal with you: are you ok with me bailing and getting a yellow, or should I stick with the plan?
An-Jen T: I expect you to stick with it unfortunately, unless we roll back......
An-Jen T: I take that back. Go ahead and buy the yellow and I will sell a share of J instead. The only thing I ask is you not sell your last share of J this turn.
Bryan Eastman: sure
Eric H.: Bryan, If you keep that sure of Android, you going to find yourself holding a Corp with $23 and a single company (BME). All the Oranges will have been transferred a min cost to Daniels new Corp. he will go first, dump his share and will be be the permanent president of that Turkey.
Eric H.: Share not sure.
Eric H.: You will be president
Eric H.: Android is guaranteed to go bankrupt. Kiss your $8 goodbye. Your single yellow will not generate enough income and you will not have any actions for the rest of the game.
Eric H.: You have 1 turn to get out.
Paul B: Eric, I don't know what you're talking about. Bryan has not purchased any Andriid stock.
Eric H.: Just woke up when I wrote that. I was trying to catch up the the chat and really can't figure out what the hell is going on anymore. So, Brian has ditched his Android takeover attempt.
Paul B passes
An-Jen T passes
Eric H. passes
DanielB: An Jen. Why do you care if Brian sticks with the plan?
An-Jen T: I took it back.
DanielB: Drumroll... sncf is probably worth the extra buck due to two more synergies that count. I d rather u take over Android I’m pretty sure! Though it actually seems a wash. Oranges have $10 of synergies...
DanielB: $1 of profitability when $6 maintainance hits...
DanielB: That’s with dr. Not by themselves
Bryan Eastman bids $24 for SNCF
Bryan Eastman buys SNCF for $24 from the bank
Paul B passes
An-Jen T passes
Eric H. passes
Bryan Eastman passes
-- Round: 5 Phase: 4 (Determine New Player Order) --
New player order: Paul B, An-Jen T, Eric H., Bryan Eastman, DanielB
-- Round: 5 Phase: 5 (Foreign Investor Buys Companies) --
Foreign Investor buys PKP for $23 from the bank
-- Round: 5 Phase: 6 (Corporations Buys Companies) --
Jupiter buys MS for $21 from An-Jen T
Bear buys KME for $7 from Eric H.
Jupiter passes
Bear passes
Android passes
-- Round: 5 Phase: 7 (Close Companies) --
HE passes
BY passes
BD passes
BME passes
PR passes
SX passes
OL passes
KME passes
BPM passes
MHE passes
BSE passes
AKE passes
MS passes
NS passes
WT passes
SNCF passes
DR passes
-- Round: 5 Phase: 8 (Collect Income) --
Android collects $15 income
Bear collects $16 income
Jupiter collects $14 income
Paul B collects $6 income
An-Jen T collects $0 income
Eric H. collects $3 income
Bryan Eastman collects $6 income
DanielB collects $6 income
Foreign Investor collects $11 income
-- Round: 5 Phase: 9 (Pay Dividends And Adjust Share Prices) --
Android pays $4 dividends - DanielB receives $4
Android changes share price from $14 to $15
Android changes share price from $15 to $16
DanielB: perfect, an-jen gets the first green
Bear pays $0 dividends
Bear changes share price from $13 to $14
Bear changes share price from $14 to $15
Bear passes
Jupiter pays $2 dividends - An-Jen T receives $4 - Bryan Eastman receives $2
Jupiter changes share price from $8 to $9
Jupiter changes share price from $9 to $10
-- Round: 5 Phase: 10 (Check Game End) --
-- Round: 6 Phase: 1 (Issue New Shares) --
Android passes
Bear passes
Jupiter passes
-- Round: 6 Phase: 2 (Form Corporations) --
DanielB forms corporation Eagle with DR at $13 - 6 shares issued.
Paul B: Daniel, Please let me know if you intend to sell any shares of Eagle this turn. I want to stay out of your way, and it is in both of our interests that I do.
DanielB: I won't be selling any shares Paul. You may want to buy a share of Eagle...which will also incent you to selling Eagle NS in round 7 or 8...
DanielB: or 9
Paul B: Excellent, thanks!
Paul B: Given the disparity of share prices and number of shares I would have guessed that Android's future is brighter than Eagle's.
DanielB: there is upward momentum in Eagle! And with 3 shares, I will gain a lot from it:) it should be beautiful
DanielB: there is always more upward momentum, when you issue more shares on floatation, because if those bank shares find there way into player hands, that's 3 extra bumps up, with no bumps backwards
Eric H.: Paul any interest in selling NS to Bear this turn?
Eric H.: So why should Paul help you goose those bumps? It gives you a liquidity advantage.
Eric H.: Take my offer Paul and buy yourself a Green
DanielB: Paul, I will be able to offer you more than Bear's paltry $23 for NS this round...Just saying...
Eric H.: I'll sweeten my offer with a $2 dividend payment. It keeps your share of Bear growing.
Eric H.: Daniel will just pocket the synergy money if you use the money to buy a Green.
Bryan Eastman forms corporation Saturn with SNCF at $14 - 4 shares issued.
Paul B: Okay, well I'm f**ked.
DanielB: Bryan has to get his Axe in where he can... Nice job Bryan! and now we are stacked up as Bjoern intended... Paul can really make it mess and float at 11 !
DanielB: or $12 (hint, this seems like a bad idea)...
DanielB: not $12, the floating part...
Paul B forms corporation Orion with NS at $11 - 4 shares issued.
WT passes
-- Round: 6 Phase: 3 (Auctions And Share Trading) --
Bear changes share price from $15 to $12
Paul B sells share of Bear for $12
Paul B: Brian, if you are planning on selling a share (I'm not sure why you would) Orion will be out of your way shortly and you'll be able to sell for $11 rather than $9
An-Jen T bids $32 for RENFE
An-Jen T buys RENFE for $32 from the bank
Eric H. passes
Jupiter changes share price from $10 to $9
Bryan Eastman sells share of Jupiter for $9
Paul B: Ah, thanks Bryan!
Bryan Eastman: you're welcome
Eric H.: Why did Bryan dump Jupiter? He can't do anything with the money this turn and he gave up the share growth money.
Eric H.: Never mi d, I see.
DanielB passes
Orion changes share price from $11 to $10
Paul B sells share of Orion for $10
DanielB: Cool Paul. Way to go for it!
Paul B: Bryan, I wish I could give you a dollar. I'd love for you to get a yellow and push the cost of ownership.
Eric H.: And screw you Paul.
Bryan Eastman: would be nice.
Bryan Eastman: next cost of ownership is 3? and then 8?
Bryan Eastman: fyi, you could. buy a share of eagle, then I sell saturn for 13, then you sell your eagle for 14 and then buy your green
Eric H.: Daniel would dump his share of Eagle for the profit taking, leaving Paul with $32 and no Green for Paul. I am sure that advice was a mistake, right?
Bryan Eastman: what advice? I wasn't advising anything.
Eric H.: uh huh.
DanielB: $3 on red orange. Then $6 on red,orange yellow
DanielB: Just 8 more companies
Paul B: 8?
Paul B: You mean 18?
DanielB: No. 8 more companies to be bought until maintainance goes to $6
An-Jen T passes
An-Jen T: Eric I was wondering if we can work out something mutually beneficial between Bear and Jupiter .... lots of syn left on the table as it were...
Orion changes share price from $10 to $11
Eric H. buys share of Orion for $11
Eric H.: An-Jen if you buy a share of Bear, I would be willing to buy Jupiters assets. That would support future Bear price jumps.
Eric H.: That would have to be next turn, obviously.
Eric H.: Daniel since you are going to Gut Android anyway, I would consider selling WT for the max this turn. Its synergies make it worth it. You can issue a share for more cash and have another synergized company to fold into Eagle
Paul B: Eric, I assume that you mean next turn since Android currently has only $5.
An-Jen T: Eric, that is more or less what I had in mind ..... just wanted to gauge your interest and plan for next turn ....
DanielB: Eric. Now that’s unverschaemt!
DanielB: A company that will no longer be profitable and you want full price! Wow. You got Kutzbah and Cajanes. Shall I throw in my second not. To top it offf?
Bryan Eastman passes
DanielB passes
Paul B bids $33 for BR
Paul B buys BR for $33 from the bank
An-Jen T passes
Eric H. passes
Bryan Eastman passes
DanielB passes
Paul B passes
-- Round: 6 Phase: 4 (Determine New Player Order) --
New player order: Bryan Eastman, Paul B, An-Jen T, Eric H., DanielB
-- Round: 6 Phase: 5 (Foreign Investor Buys Companies) --
-- Round: 6 Phase: 6 (Corporations Buys Companies) --
Saturn passes
DanielB: who wants to sell companies....? speak now or hold your peace
Eagle offers $29 for PKP
Saturn declines to buy PKP from the Foreign Investor
Eagle buys PKP for $29 from Foreign Investor
Eagle offers $11 for WT
Orion passes
Jupiter passes
Bear buys WT for $14 from Eric H.
Bear offers $1 for BME
Bear declines to sell WT to Eagle for $11
Bear passes
Android declines to sell BME to Bear for $1
Android passes
Eagle passes
-- Round: 6 Phase: 7 (Close Companies) --
HE passes
BY passes
BD passes
BME passes
PR passes
SX passes
OL passes
KME passes
WT passes
DR passes
PKP passes
BR passes
BPM passes
MHE passes
BSE passes
AKE passes
MS passes
RENFE passes
-- Round: 6 Phase: 8 (Collect Income) --
Android collects $15 income
Saturn collects $6 income
Eagle collects $16 income
Bear collects $19 income
Orion collects $6 income
Jupiter collects $14 income
Bryan Eastman collects $0 income
Paul B collects $12 income
An-Jen T collects $12 income
Eric H. collects $0 income
DanielB collects $0 income
Foreign Investor collects $5 income
-- Round: 6 Phase: 9 (Pay Dividends And Adjust Share Prices) --
Android pays $0 dividends
Android changes share price from $16 to $18
Android changes share price from $18 to $20
An-Jen T: Eric, I am not sure I am interested in buying Bear, but I'd like to offer you the opportunity for a friendly take over of Jupiter. Clearly new management is needed and I think you are the man for the job!
Eric H.: An Jen, I am not going to lock myself into sole ownership of two obsolete companies, so no.
Eric H.: If you do t own Bear
Saturn pays $0 dividends
Saturn changes share price from $14 to $15
Saturn changes share price from $15 to $16
Eagle pays $0 dividends
Eagle changes share price from $13 to $14
Eagle changes share price from $14 to $15
Eagle passes
An-Jen T: that's fine but you are the one who is going to benefit from the fire sale of its assets and I think you want that to happen next turn. If you leave it in my hands, I have little incentive to do that versus letting it burn to the ground.
Bear pays $4 dividends - Eric H. receives $8
Bear changes share price from $12 to $13
Bear changes share price from $13 to $14
An-Jen T: just saying
An-Jen T: oh well there goes that plan .....
Eric H.: Look I ca.n buy a share of Jupiter and transfer Bears assets to Jupiter, you can pay out dividends out of Jupiter if you keep your share
Eric H.: Or I can just transfer all the assets to Orion. Paul?
Eric H.: Eh, never mind.
Eric H.: No point. Committing until I see the share buys
Eric H.: In comitting
Orion pays $0 dividends
Orion changes share price from $11 to $12
Orion changes share price from $12 to $13
Orion passes
Paul B: I would be perfectly happy accepting Bear assets into Orion. Orion doesn't need the assets this turn in order to double jump, and Bear will double jump this turn as well. Unless you want to buy another share and take over management of Orion ( which would be fine with me)... In that case, Orion would need additional assets to maintain the significantly higher share price
Jupiter pays $3 dividends - An-Jen T receives $6
Jupiter changes share price from $9 to $10
-- Round: 6 Phase: 10 (Check Game End) --
-- Round: 7 Phase: 1 (Issue New Shares) --
Android issues a share and receives $18
Android changes share price from $20 to $18
Saturn passes
Eagle passes
Bear issues a share and receives $12
Bear changes share price from $14 to $12
Orion passes
DanielB: An-Jen da Mann! from 4th to 1st!
DanielB: Woman?
DanielB: Are their any Women playing?
Eric H.: Bwar would consider selling WT for book value this turn.
DanielB: round 8 for min...
Eric H.: An-Jen you can afford a share of Bear. Dump you share of Juipter and lets gut it. You are like $12 ahead of me, you can afford the deal. Bear is a safe place to put some cash.
Eric H.: I will dividend regularly
Jupiter passes
-- Round: 7 Phase: 2 (Form Corporations) --
Eric H.: Nope. I'm not giving you a Corp worth $6 in synergy income over multiple turns for minimum so you can fold it into your Corp in which you hold a 50% stake in. This is like your crappy offer for WT.
Eric H.: It's an insulting offer and it's never going to happen.
Eric H.: Too many people have sold you highly synergies corporations for short term liquidi and handed you the damn game. We all know that you are going to make super efficient use of BME to gut
Eric H.: Android and ride that those asset transfer and $6 orange synergy income to victory.
BR passes
RENFE passes
-- Round: 7 Phase: 3 (Auctions And Share Trading) --
DanielB: Come on Eric, lower the vitriol. It’s a long game!
DanielB: And Eric. By all means, you are welcome to buy a share of eagle.
DanielB: Actually it will go down if you do... not so good for liquidity😊
DanielB: Bryan, seems you’d be happier if you were getting dividends from Saturn?
DanielB: Of course. I think I might make the same comment about my ow companies...
DanielB: Bryan. Hope you don’t lose heart. I distinctly remember losing awfully in my first three or four tries it rolling stock
DanielB: At rolling stock. Overpaying for reds is a very common mistake. Overpaying in general. There are times when a premium is warranted. But not so often...
DanielB: True Eric, Bme was the best value in the game for my position. But you can do the same with Ken. So don’t whine too loudly please...
DanielB: Ken equals KME
Bryan Eastman passes
Orion changes share price from $13 to $11
Paul B sells share of Orion for $11
Eric H. becomes president of Orion
Eric H.: The difference is the low leverage of Eagle, it's massively undervalued and you own a 50% stake already. Do are poised to ride the rails to massive share jumps and massive future dividends.
Eric H.: An-Jen, Bear is cheap. If you buy a share we can gut Jupiter. There will be a dividend payout and a double jump for your Bear share. That will put you in position to buy a Blue rather than buying a a Yellow company.
Eric H.: Daniel we both know that the moment I buy a share of Eagle I would be giving you $12 in free equity since you would immediately execute the gutting of Android to support the new higher share price.
Eric H.: So please stop feeding me BS about how it would "hurt liquidity".
Jupiter changes share price from $10 to $9
An-Jen T sells share of Jupiter for $9
Orion changes share price from $11 to $13
Eric H. buys share of Orion for $13
DanielB passes
Bryan Eastman passes
An-Jen T: Eric, I realize it would be better for you if I stuck around and helped you gut Jupiter, but I don't understand why you buying another share of Orion and presumably gutting bear this turn is a better play.....
An-Jen T: Unless of course you have some other plan in mind ....
Paul B bids $25 for KK
An-Jen T leaves auction
Paul B buys KK for $25 from the bank
An-Jen T passes
An-Jen T: In case you change your mind, I am still willing to relinquish control of Jupiter .....
Eric H.: Like I need to be president of 3 crappy companies. I cant dig myself out of my cash flow flow as it is.
Eric H.: Cash flow hole
Eric H.: I am falling farther and farther behind with private companies out of my reach. Now.
Eric H. passes
DanielB passes
DanielB: Eric. U dividend full and sell a bear share and beef up Orion. Gets you to $35. Then you can sell a share of Orion and buy a cheap blue when it comes out. What’s the problem?
Saturn changes share price from $16 to $14
Bryan Eastman sells share of Saturn for $14
Eric H.: That's two turns and assume that I can get cheap Blue.
An-Jen T: Bryan, sorry about this, but I was hoping you would pass .....
An-Jen T bids $26 for SBB
An-Jen T: oops I meant to bid $27 but lets keep going.
Bryan Eastman bids $27 for SBB
An-Jen T bids $28 for SBB
An-Jen T buys SBB for $28 from the bank
Eric H. passes
DanielB passes
Saturn changes share price from $14 to $16
Bryan Eastman buys share of Saturn for $16
Eric H.: Ummm, Bryan, why didn't you just buy Eagle? You know Daniel is going to gut Android and starting paying out dividends, right? If you had bought Eagle you could have dumped after the dividend it since you would have still been #1 in turn order
Eric H.: You just gave up $2 selling and buying Saturn.
Eric H. passes
DanielB passes
Bryan Eastman passes
-- Round: 7 Phase: 4 (Determine New Player Order) --
New player order: Bryan Eastman, Eric H., Paul B, An-Jen T, DanielB
-- Round: 7 Phase: 5 (Foreign Investor Buys Companies) --
Foreign Investor buys SZD for $31 from the bank
-- Round: 7 Phase: 6 (Corporations Buys Companies) --
Saturn offers $38 for RENFE
Orion buys WT for $6 from Bear
Eagle offers $32 for KK
An-Jen T declines to sell RENFE to Saturn for $38
Saturn passes
DanielB: I’ll offer for sbb if I get Kk.
DanielB: Paul u can get blue next round if u take my offer Andy hen float. And sell. Further. I’ll buy hh for max so u can move to purple.
Bear buys NS for $20 from Orion
Orion passes
An-Jen T: Daniel, that will be some serious synergy for your Co.
DanielB: That’s been my plan. Two rounds no dividends paid. I’ve paid for it
An-Jen T: Individually we each benefit from selling to you .... but ..... Can we resist?
DanielB: And buses are available and I’m paying max for yellow. That’s crazy.
DanielB: Blues
DanielB: But in all my games of RS I’ve never tried a committed strategy where one Corp buys c
DanielB: Companies and shuffles to the other again and again. I’m not sure it will work. But if it would ever work this is the game. I think you all were a bit impatient last round selling Dow. To buy yellows. My plan had been to buy both Kk and sbb from the FI
Eric H.: Without
Eric H.: Never mind, my crappy play this game means I really have nothing insightful to add here.
DanielB: There’s always another game Eric!
DanielB: This has really been an interesting game so far
Eric H.: Yes, stock manipulation is not worth it in this game. I'll be interested in your end game.
DanielB: Me too. Seems unlikely if Eagle can make it to the finish line. Possible however!
Eric H.: The problem with Eagle is that 6 shares becomes harder and harder to prop up. You can dividend yourself but 50% of your working capital goes into thin air. Meanwhile private companies become more and more expensive
Jupiter passes
DanielB: it's so cool to try to make it to the finish line from a $13 start price... pretty tough...I think...kinda depends on Paul...
Paul B: Bryan, I really wish you had offered to buy kk. You have a synergy with it, and I'd much rather sell to you than Daniel. Do you have any interest? If so, maybe we can get your turn reopened.
Bryan Eastman: No synergy for kk, look again
Paul B: Oh, yes. I thought that I had remembered choosing it for that reason, but now I recall why I chose kk..
Eagle buys KK for $32 from Paul B
Paul B: I didn't intend to sell to Daniel when I bought kk and I recognize that
Paul B: If he wins it will likely be my fault on this turn, but I just had to do it.
DanielB: Of course. It puts you in the lead. The big question is whether I put an Jen right there with you. I think yes. Cuz it fits my strategy.... it’s worth a try
Android offers $33 for SBB
Android buys SBB for $33 from An-Jen T
Eric H.: Well, I'm now priced out forever from private corps. An-Jen, if you give me a buy-sell price bump next turn on Orion to feed me $2, I will take over Jupiter.
Eric H.: never mind, the smart thing for you is to dividend Jupiter to get that dollar to outbid Paul for MAD.
Paul B: Eric, please do not choose an-Jen the winner of this game by taking his worthless asset from him him!
Eric H.: Paul, the goal of MY game is to maximize MY net worth. Jupiter is worth massive synergy income and dividends to me and IIf I can get it for cheap I will.
Eric H.: Just like you did what was in YOUR financial interest when you dumped Orion on me And shafted me out of the share appreciation I am doing what is in MY financial interest.
Eric H.: In any case, it would do be stupid and irresponsible for me not to maximize my net worth. Without access to private companies, a situation you have exacasperbated by selling off to Daniel I have no OTHER WAY TO MAKE MONEY..
Eric H.: I am not g ping to sit on my hands the rest of the game not trying to make money because it is not in your interest.
Paul B: The fact that An-Jen has what basically amounts to a minus $9 millstone hanging from his neck underlies most of my decisions. I can't speak for Daniel, but I expect he would have.done things differently if he thought there was any chance that anyone would even consider removing that millstone.
Eric H.: After An-Jen dividends to give himself that dollar so he can buy MAD and issues another share I will happily buy Jupiter next turn
Eric H.: All, I don't give a shit about his millstone. The company has value and can make ME money. The rational decision for me is to take the company and extract the money.
Eric H.: It has $18 in transferable book value and least $24 , synergy income, and $12 cash (if An-Jen issues a share) that I can pick up for like $8. That's $52 in value for $8. A NET gain of $44 to mt corps (and 22 to me as shareholder)
Eric H.: An Jen, $1 dividend and issue a share and I will take over Jupiter, firm.
Eric H.: I am not going to sit on my hands the rest of the game and not try and make money.
Eric H.: If you made certain I'll founded assumptions that is not my fault. Did you really believe a corporation with $49 in book value and insane synergy potential was going to be allowed to slide into bankruptcy WITHOUT being plundered?
Eric H.: Brian, you may be temped to get in the middle here by buying Jupiter. If you buy it, you bought it. I am not going to deal with a middle man.
Eric H.: You can ride the share all the way down after you gut it.
Eric H.: Paul, looking over this it doesn't matter. Brian was going to get to it first. Gutting Jupiter allows him to sell off SNCF to Daniel for max cash and use the book asset transfer to fully dividend himself with no hit on share jump.
Eric H.: Not sure if that math works out even the. As private companies are still out of reach.
Eric H.: well, Brian is welcome to try and make it work. I am determined to not be in last place this game..
Eric H.: Brian can try and buy the husk of Bear when I am done with it. It won't be worth much by then.
Android passes
Eagle passes
-- Round: 7 Phase: 7 (Close Companies) --
HE passes
BY passes
BD passes
BME passes
SBB passes
DR passes
PKP passes
KK passes
PR passes
SX passes
OL passes
KME passes
NS passes
BR passes
DanielB: I can’t follow all this about Jupiter and extractingmomey. I can tell you this. Anyone that buys a share of Jupiter is being foolish at this point. There is no money to extract. The bid-ask spread in RS is in the best of cases expensive.
Eric H.: I so disagree.
An-Jen T: Eric, just catching up but assuming you still want to do it, I will do as you propose for Jupiter. Give me a confirmation.
BPM passes
MHE passes
BSE passes
AKE passes
MS passes
RENFE passes
-- Round: 7 Phase: 8 (Collect Income) --
Android collects $12 income
Saturn collects $6 income
Eagle collects $30 income
Orion collects $0 income
Bear collects $15 income
Jupiter collects $3 income
Bryan Eastman collects $0 income
Eric H. collects $0 income
Paul B collects $12 income
An-Jen T collects $12 income
DanielB collects $0 income
Foreign Investor collects $17 income
-- Round: 7 Phase: 9 (Pay Dividends And Adjust Share Prices) --
Android pays $2 dividends - DanielB receives $2
Android changes share price from $18 to $20
Eric H.: if An-Jen pays a $1 dividend and issues a share It will be bought.
Eric H.: Either Bryan or I will be president of Jupiter.
DanielB: You guys are crazy to let an Jen out of Jupiter. He is he runaway leader at this point.
Eric H.: Bryan goes first and if he buys he will be president.
Eric H.: If he doesn't buy then I WILL.
DanielB: If u buy jupiter then at least he will have company...
Eric H.: Why should I stop playing to maximize my investments. Buying Jupiter is my best play money-wise. I am priced out of private corps for the rest of the game. All I have is my company shares to give me value.
DanielB: Eric u are not priced out of companies the rest of the game as I said before. You have to dividend your way out.
Eric H.: Not without Jupiter I can't.
Eric H.: No one is talking me out of this. Buying Juipter is the best thing I can do for my score, period.
Eric H.: You were the runway leader last game when An-Jen sold you highly synergized Purples to up his score. I didn't see you complaining then.
An-Jen T: Eric, just want to double check that you want me to only dividend $1. If I'm reading things correctly this will mean that Jupiter will go up to $10 and then $9 after I issue a new share next turn. Are you good with that?
Eric H.: Yes.
Eric H.: I can get some cash out of Orion.
Eric H.: If Bryan wants Orion he can have it. I am not playing mutually destructive bidding games. It would cost him a dollar to take and relinquish the presidency during the same share round.
Eric H.: I'm not buying a share if he does. In any case, An-Jen, you will be free soon.
Eric H.: I meant Jupiter not Orion.
Saturn pays $0 dividends
Saturn changes share price from $16 to $18
Eagle pays $0 dividends
Eagle changes share price from $15 to $16
Eagle changes share price from $16 to $22
Eagle passes
DanielB: Eagle will pay and $8 dividend if anyone wants to buy a share and rise two bumps. In 8 and possibly 9...co-investors are welcome
DanielB: Eric, if you dividend full you will have $14 + 9=23, sell one of each and that yields you another $23... that's $46. And that's THIS round. So please stop claiming that you are shut out of the private company market. It's simply not true...
Orion pays $1 dividends - Eric H. receives $2
Orion changes share price from $13 to $11
Eric H.: Am goinG forward with buying Jupiter anyway.
Eric H.: i believe it is the option that will make the the most money.
Bear pays $0 dividends
Bear changes share price from $12 to $13
Bear changes share price from $13 to $14
Bear passes
DanielB: Eric, you already know my view. Let's review and analyse later in the game/endgame... I just wanted to point out that you could get to $46 this turn, and if you did this strategy, two turns in a row, you 'd be in the$50-$60 range... I agree it's not enough to get a purple, but it is enough to get a blue...
Eric H.: An be saddled with Presidents shares in two dead companies. Been there done that. We can certainly look at it post-game.
Jupiter pays $1 dividends - An-Jen T receives $1
Jupiter changes share price from $9 to $10
-- Round: 7 Phase: 10 (Check Game End) --
-- Round: 8 Phase: 1 (Issue New Shares) --
Eagle passes
Android passes
Saturn passes
DanielB: so the solution to having two shares in two dead companies, is to have 3 shares in three dead companies?
DanielB: the order of companies coming out is working massively against me...sigh...perhaps it'll be better with the purples...
Bear passes
Orion passes
Jupiter issues a share and receives $9
Jupiter changes share price from $10 to $9
-- Round: 8 Phase: 2 (Form Corporations) --
BR passes
DanielB: facinating...An Jen, now you are the total leader (because Paul didn't float and sell down)...all you have to do is buy Mad for $46 and Paul will be shut out....you will be the only one with a blue...So An Jen, have at it. I may need to shoot at you now... Incidentally, I really considered only bidding $32 for SBB - and in retrospect, only $31 (you would have been tied with Paul), would you have taken $31 or $32 do you think?
DanielB: Paul, care for a share of Eagle that will pay $8 dividend?
Paul B: I guess that will teach me to move without looking things over first. I didn't see An-Jen had gotten in range of a blue. I've been out and about all weekend and just trying to keep the game moving. All of my calculations were before you bought SBB from An-Jen.
RENFE passes
-- Round: 8 Phase: 3 (Auctions And Share Trading) --
An-Jen T: I think my lead is temporary at best. The better outcome, I think would have been for neither Paul or I to sell.....
An-Jen T: Prisoners delimma as it were
Bryan Eastman passes
DanielB: An Jen. I totally disagree. I think I helped you more than you helped me. I sped up the game. Totally detrimental to my position.
DanielB: Catapulting you and paul light years forward. Destroying Eric’s mediocre position. Bryan meanwhile had already obliterated himeef. He was the half dead bossy that was in just the right position to catch the Hindenburg...
DanielB: Body
DanielB: Bryan. What do you play? Do you play 18xx?
Jupiter changes share price from $9 to $10
Eric H. buys share of Jupiter for $10
Eric H.: Speaking for myself, I would happily concede to An-Jan so I can move on to a new game. Obviously I will play this out if people want to continue. I believe Damiel is determined to use the FI to get this game to a rapid close anyway.
Paul B bids $45 for MAD
Paul B: I really screwed the pooch by not paying enough attention over this past weekend. Even with Eric's (ridiculous) takeover of Jupiter I might have been able to challenge An-Jen and Daniel. Now, I really have an uphill battle.
Eric H.: You screwed the Pocch by not working with other players. You help put in in the position I am in when you issued a share of Bear to our mutual detriment and when you dumped Orion on me. I had hopes of selling my share off so I could get a green. You backed me into a position where I have to work really hard to keep 2 companies growing.
Eric H.: The only think that would keep the two companies viable is the acquisition of Jupiter. The alternative was to ride down 2 presidents shares in corporations with stunted share prices down to oblivion.
Paul B: This is a game where we all have the same info and the only element of luck is the order of the companies that are exposed. When we screw up as I did when I issued that share of Bear and again this last turn, it isn't because someone screwed me over. It's either because I failed to notice or failed to correctly consider the ramifications of certain moves.
Eric H.: I am have problem sacrificing Jupiter to prop up the other two companies.
Eric H.: I have no problem.
Paul B: I'm pretty sure that you'll see that the cost of riding Jupiter to zero will balance any gain you get from it's "assets." It's certainly possible that you'll prove me wrong, but I reallly don't expect to be surprised by how successful that acquisition turns out.
Paul B: It's just that with the cost of ownership soon to increase, there are no real assets and no real cash to make the deal attractive.
Paul B: The game has elements that allow players to work together occasionally, and it's hard to win without making any deals, however, I it feels like you overestimate the usefulness "teaming up" with other players.
Paul B: My situation has absolutely nothing to do with not working with other players. It relates entirely to not noticing that the share issue of Bear would cost a dollar more than I thought and not noticing (I really must have been zoned because I don't know how I missed it after looking over the chat) that An-Jen would be able to get to $46 this turn. I'm sure there are other much more subtle mistakes that I've made, but I haven't worked those out yet.
Eric H.: You didn't team" with me. You took actions which actually screwed me out of my strategy to buy an early Green and forced me into an alternative strategy that eventually re-bounded on you.
Eric H.: The share issue of Bear and dumping Orion on me were absolutely crippling to my early game momentum.
Eric H.: Actually, it wasn't even a Green at that point. I would have been a yellow.
Paul B: Dumping Orion on you couldn't have hurt you. It possibly forced a strategy change but it gave you a healthy corporation for almost no investment on your part. It had $29 and a yellow. At that point Bear was also healthy. You should have picked a winner between the two Corporations (it should have been Orion - fewer shares and higher share price) and pumped out dividends on the way up. If I had wanted to screw you I could have dividended Orion and left you with two crappy companies.
Paul B: Unless you're ahead in the turn order sequence or the other person has multiple shares you can't be surprised when you buy a share and soon become CEO. Okay, you CAN be surprised, but you shouldn't be.
An-Jen T bids $46 for MAD
An-Jen T buys MAD for $46 from the bank
Jupiter changes share price from $10 to $9
An-Jen T sells share of Jupiter for $9
Eric H. becomes president of Jupiter
DanielB passes
Bryan Eastman passes
Eric H.: Not a having decent (non-Red) private company early in the game is screwage. It forced me to work a corporations only strategy which I sure as hell didn't want. Orion couyld not keep pumping out dividends AND go up. No way in hell. Yellows can't do that, just ask Brian.
Eric H.: I had to buy a second share of Orion to get some of the dividends out. At which point I was all in, stuck with two presidencies. Daniel says I should have bailed on all my shares. to get a Green private. That means I would end up with $20 locked up in two presidents shares I could never sell.
Eric H.: And with one share in each paying dividends would destroy the share prices faster than the dividend reaped.
DanielB: I totally concur with Paul. Eric, unlike Bryan you didn’t murder yourself right out of the gate. You did it consistently and slowly. Every round a little bit morre. Even this round. Now when six dollar maintainace hits next round! You will truly feel the wrath of an angry god, angry with your choices
DanielB: Paul. $10 profit if u buy at $24 and sell at $26 plus $8 dividend. Good for me too. Or don’t sell and we can buy the 5th and 6th shares next round
DanielB: Delaying the angry god for a round...
DanielB: Buying at $31 and $34. Hmmm. I won’t have $34. Oh well. From $31 it goes to $37 and you can sell for $34 or $31 plus dividends
Paul B: Eric, There are other things that are difficult to quantify that need to be considered about the way these moves go down. When you bought Orion it made my planning more of a challenge. Since you could take it over at any time I could get stuck in a disadvantageous position. It was much easier to entirely control my own destiny than continually worry that I'd be the one without a chair when the music stopped.
Paul B: It also was entirely in line with my original plan (once I didn't get any reds) to speed up the game at any chance I got and see if I could stay ahead of the rolling wheel. This is part of my frustration that you jumped at the last minute to push An-Jen out of the way of the rolling wheel and now will get the squashing that was intended for him.
Paul B: Daniel, It looks to me like if the Eagle share price goes to $24 (with a purchase from me. you would only be able to pay $6/share. I did the math quickly so I may be slightly off but it looks like buying a green is a better deal for me.
Paul B: Redid the math. Looks like $7/share.
DanielB: Eagle buys all assets from android. New income $54 or $56. Enough to pay $48 dividend. But it’s fine. Buy the green. I do appreciate you sharing your logic with us Paul
Paul B: I actually came to $60 which puts you at $203 value needing $156 to double jump provides $47 of available cash. The deal is tempting. It uses less cash than buying green. I actually haven't entirely ruled it out.
DanielB: May be right. I can’t full dividend.
DanielB: Buy fs I mean by SS, and Inglewood be able to give you a liquidy to get out of FS one or two rounds as an altered.
Eric H. passes
Paul B bids $43 for E
Paul B buys E for $43 from the bank
DanielB passes
Bryan Eastman passes
DanielB: see what happens when I use voice to text technology...! Onward... Are we done with this phase, let the Fireworks begin!
DanielB: ERic, I think you are going to become a very good Rolling Stock player. You just don't quite peer through it's nastiness yet..new companies are the BLOOD of the game
Eric H. passes
-- Round: 8 Phase: 4 (Determine New Player Order) --
New player order: Bryan Eastman, An-Jen T, Paul B, DanielB, Eric H.
-- Round: 8 Phase: 5 (Foreign Investor Buys Companies) --
Foreign Investor buys FS for $37 from the bank
-- Round: 8 Phase: 6 (Corporations Buys Companies) --
Eagle buys BD for $6 from Android
Eagle buys BY for $7 from Android
Eagle buys SBB for $13 from Android
Eagle buys HE for $8 from Android
Android passes
Saturn offers $44 for BR
Saturn buys BR for $44 from Paul B
Orion buys NS for $11 from Bear
Orion buys PR for $10 from Bear
Orion buys OL for $7 from Bear
Orion buys MS for $9 from Jupiter
Bear buys MHE for $4 from Jupiter
Bear buys BPM for $4 from Jupiter
Bear buys AKE for $3 from Jupiter
Bear passes
Jupiter passes
-- Round: 8 Phase: 7 (Close Companies) --
DR passes
PKP passes
KK passes
BD passes
BY passes
SBB passes
HE passes
SNCF passes
BR passes
SX passes
KME passes
MHE passes
BPM passes
AKE passes
WT passes
NS passes
PR passes
OL passes
MS passes
RENFE passes
MAD passes
E passes
-- Round: 8 Phase: 8 (Collect Income) --
Eagle collects $58 income
Android collects $-2 income
Saturn collects $18 income
Bear collects $2 income
Orion collects $16 income
Jupiter collects $-2 income
Bryan Eastman collects $0 income
An-Jen T collects $27 income
Paul B collects $10 income
DanielB collects $0 income
Eric H. collects $0 income
Foreign Investor collects $27 income
-- Round: 8 Phase: 9 (Pay Dividends And Adjust Share Prices) --
Eagle pays $7 dividends - DanielB receives $21
Eagle changes share price from $22 to $24
Eagle changes share price from $24 to $26
Android pays $3 dividends - DanielB receives $3
Android changes share price from $20 to $16
Saturn pays $4 dividends - Bryan Eastman receives $8
Saturn changes share price from $18 to $15
Paul B: I'm almost afraid to ask. Why is WT still in Orion? The cash would have certainly come in handy next "corporations buy companies" phase.
Eric H.: Because my annoying brother hounded me to finish my turn a help him fix family dinner. I am just going play through.
DanielB: Eric, what happened to you, we seem to have slowed down! And you do realize, without dividending you will be in the drain totally and completely, right? The $6 maintainance on red,orange and yellow commences at once...
DanielB: by my calculation you can get BSR, you can get to $42 selling two shares and dividending full with everything
Paul B: I get to $41 but still good enough to get BSR.
Bear pays $4 dividends - Eric H. receives $8
Bear changes share price from $14 to $13
Bear changes share price from $13 to $12
Orion pays $3 dividends - Eric H. receives $6
Orion changes share price from $11 to $13
Jupiter pays $3 dividends - Eric H. receives $3
Jupiter changes share price from $9 to $8
Jupiter changes share price from $8 to $7
-- Round: 8 Phase: 10 (Check Game End) --
-- Round: 9 Phase: 1 (Issue New Shares) --
Eagle passes
Android issues a share and receives $14
Android changes share price from $16 to $14
Saturn passes
Orion passes
Bear passes
Jupiter passes
-- Round: 9 Phase: 2 (Form Corporations) --
An-Jen T forms corporation Horse with MAD at $24 - 4 shares issued.
Paul B forms corporation Ship with E at $16 - 6 shares issued.
RENFE passes
-- Round: 9 Phase: 3 (Auctions And Share Trading) --
Ship changes share price from $16 to $18
Bryan Eastman buys share of Ship for $18
Horse changes share price from $24 to $22
An-Jen T sells share of Horse for $22
Paul B bids $47 for HA
An-Jen T bids $48 for HA
Paul B leaves auction
An-Jen T buys HA for $48 from the bank
Paul B: Daniel, Please don't buy any Horse.
Paul B: Unless you want to take it.
Paul B: Actually, you taking it would be better. Do you want it?
DanielB: You can take it Paul.
Eagle changes share price from $26 to $24
DanielB sells share of Eagle for $24
Bear changes share price from $12 to $16
Eric H. buys share of Bear for $16
Eric H.: Dammit my finger slipped n the IPad I meant to hit sell.
Bryan Eastman passes
Eric H.: The buy/sell pulldown is too close to the button that executes the transaction. This impacts Paul and it was not my intention to sell.
Horse changes share price from $22 to $26
Paul B buys share of Horse for $26
Paul B: Oh shit
Paul B: I didn't see that Daniel had sold down to $24
DanielB: Want to unwind?
DanielB bids $48 for HH
DanielB buys HH for $48 from the bank
An-Jen T: can I be a bastard and say play on! Just kidding, sort of ....
Paul B: Play on
Eric H.: Well it solidifies last place for me but I don't care
Eric H. passes
Bryan Eastman passes
Bryan Eastman: @Eric *ahem*
An-Jen T passes
Paul B: Oh, now I see what Eric was talking about.
Paul B: On the bright side, Eric, you took me down with you.
Paul B: Or, at least you helped me take my self down.
DanielB: Paul. Yous got choices. You have a lot of liquidity. I don’t see a great future for your ship. Buy a darn company or steal an Jens. I’ll sell you an orange if you want. Then you can gut one of them
Eric H.: Sorry Paul, it really was a slipped finger. You said "play on" in chat so....
Paul B: Yeah, I know. I'm all for liquidity but this is some damned expensive liquidity. I've just been trying to determine my least bad option.
Ship changes share price from $18 to $12
Paul B sells share of Ship for $12
DanielB: Wow. Eric’s mistake kills Paul!
DanielB passes
Paul B: Eric, i felt like you just had your mulligan, and undoing takes forever and isn't fair to those who take care with their moves. Perhaps each game should delineate an undo policy at the start. It seems that misclicks should get undos but mistakes should not and that there should be a cap per individual and perhaps per game.
Paul B: I had already made a mistake when Eric asked for the redo. That mistake was leaving the auction for HA too early. A redo would have put us back to the beginning of the round and given me an deserved chance to correct it. Would I have had to repeat my mistake? Changing it would certainly be unfair to An-Jen (and Daniel since I would have also become more competitive with him)
Paul B: Meant UN deserved
Eric H. passes
Bryan Eastman passes
Eric H.: I don't think misclicks should be counted against any so-called limit. Having said that, I don't really care too much in this case, so I am not asking for a rollback.
Eric H.: Misclicks are is not the same as "not taking care with your move" I am not the only that has had trouble with the interface.
An-Jen T passes
An-Jen T: Paul, once you take over Horse, I have a deal for you to consider.
DanielB: I’ve made this misclicks. I have found that if I scroll in /magnify the image. Then it’s easy to not make a mistake
Horse changes share price from $26 to $28
Paul B buys share of Horse for $28
Paul B becomes president of Horse
DanielB passes
Paul B: I'm definitely willing to hear any deal offers ( or suggestions) now that I've well and truly screwed myself.
Eric H. passes
Bryan Eastman passes
An-Jen T: Paul, so here's my offer. Now that you have "more" ownership of Horse than Ship, I'm hoping this will prove agreeable to you. 1. For Horse to offer and buy RENFE for $45 during the phase coming up. 2. Horse does not issue a new share next turn. I figure the synergy will be good for both of us (and you more than me). I'm just basically trying to not get screwed over if you decide to trash Horse this turn, though I'm not sure that is to your advantage anymore now that you've had to sell a share of Ship ....
DanielB: Given An-Jen,s lead and now that there are purples. I’m not too sure Renee is worth max. It’s almost 2/3rds through its productive life already
An-Jen T: Perhaps, but with the general low cashflow, it's going to be a while before all the purples are gone. It's $16 income for at least 2 turns if not more. No other blue is going to get MAD any synergies....
An-Jen T: Except FR of course but that is going to be very expensive....
An-Jen T: Anyway, Paul, let me know one way or another, since if you turn me down, I think I have to sell Horse.
DanielB: An Jen will sell horse sooner or later. I’d just make him a reasonable offer. Maybe $5 over par ...it will probably pay $12 two more times
DanielB: If you pay $35 for Renfe your book value will go to $124 and you can climb to $34. Then An Jen can sell at $31 he will have made a $5 stock gain over selling now and $35 for Renfe. Sounds like a win win
DanielB: I hate this idea of a deal. It’s too good for An Jen. ! I just did the math. It get him AL next turn! Then his income will be $40 a turn and he will have an $8 synergy with HA.
Paul B: Sell if you like I won't give you any piece of mind about a deal. i don't expect to gut Horse, as I can't really imagine how such a scenario would be profitable. Even 25% stake is too much to consider gutting. I'm not particularly interested in adding greens personally or to any of my corporations unless I can see a clear path to strong returns.
Bryan Eastman: SCNF is available to ship for $16
Horse changes share price from $28 to $26
An-Jen T sells share of Horse for $26
Paul B passes
DanielB passes
Eric H. passes
Bryan Eastman passes
An-Jen T passes
-- Round: 9 Phase: 4 (Determine New Player Order) --
New player order: An-Jen T, Paul B, DanielB, Eric H., Bryan Eastman
-- Round: 9 Phase: 5 (Foreign Investor Buys Companies) --
-- Round: 9 Phase: 6 (Corporations Buys Companies) --
Eagle offers $16 for SNCF
Android offers $43 for SZD
Saturn declines to sell SNCF to Eagle for $16
Jupiter buys WT for $11 from Orion
Orion buys KME for $3 from Bear
Orion buys AKE for $3 from Bear
Bear passes
Jupiter passes
Saturn passes
DanielB: Paul, horse has to decide if it wants SZD, or decline...
Eric H.: Daniel, you may want to make an offer on WT. I didn't really pay attention when I did Jupiters turn and passed prematurely.
Eric H.: Never mind. A company can only be sold once.
Horse declines to buy SZD from the Foreign Investor
Android buys SZD for $43 from Foreign Investor
Ship offers $53 for HA
Ship offers $16 for SNCF
Paul B: Bryan I'll move SNCF to horse when it needs it to double jump, please hold off on accepting until An-Jen accepts or declines the off re for HA.
Paul B: If he accepts I'll buy SNCF from horse
Ship buys SNCF for $16 from Saturn
Bryan Eastman: oops, soirry
Bryan Eastman: didn't read until i clicked.
DanielB: Bryan. I can offer you min for wt or $12 would get you $1 more. But it’s not worth $12. Too bad we didn’t deal last turn or earlier.
DanielB: My offer gets you a dollar out of it.
Bryan Eastman: I don't have WT
DanielB: Right. Eric. And he moved it again! Erich. I really don’t understand your machinations. It’s not where the core money in this game is.
Eagle passes
Eric H.: Daniel had you made an offer earlier for WT I might not have moved it. I probably would not have accepted min for it though. It was worth $16 in synergy income over two turns.
Eric H.: Since I have to live with the consequences of my misclicks buy of Bear, all I can do is rearrange the deck chairs on the Titanic for the rest of the game.
An-Jen T: tempting, but let's keep the game moving
An-Jen T declines to sell HA to Ship for $53
Horse offers $43 for RENFE
Horse buys RENFE for $43 from An-Jen T
DanielB: oh no....
DanielB: Paul, I really wish you hadn't of done that... it leads to a runaway An-Jen...
Horse passes
Ship passes
-- Round: 9 Phase: 7 (Close Companies) --
NS passes
PR passes
OL passes
MS passes
KME passes
AKE passes
SX passes
MHE passes
BPM passes
MAD passes
RENFE passes
E passes
SNCF passes
HA passes
Jupiter closes BSE
Android closes BME
DR passes
PKP passes
KK passes
BD passes
BY passes
SBB passes
HE passes
HH passes
-- Round: 9 Phase: 8 (Collect Income) --
Horse collects $31 income
Eagle collects $25 income
Bear collects $-8 income
Saturn collects $12 income
Android collects $12 income
Orion collects $-2 income
Ship collects $14 income
Jupiter collects $-3 income
An-Jen T collects $15 income
Paul B collects $0 income
DanielB collects $15 income
Eric H. collects $0 income
Bryan Eastman collects $0 income
Foreign Investor collects $15 income
-- Round: 9 Phase: 9 (Pay Dividends And Adjust Share Prices) --
Horse pays $1 dividends - Paul B receives $2
Horse changes share price from $26 to $28
Horse changes share price from $28 to $31
Eagle pays $6 dividends - DanielB receives $12
Eagle changes share price from $24 to $26
Bear pays $0 dividends
Bear changes share price from $16 to $11
Saturn pays $5 dividends - Bryan Eastman receives $10
Saturn changes share price from $15 to $10
Android pays $1 dividends - DanielB receives $1
Android changes share price from $14 to $9
Orion pays $0 dividends
Orion changes share price from $13 to $14
Orion changes share price from $14 to $15
Orion passes
Ship pays $0 dividends
Ship changes share price from $12 to $13
Ship changes share price from $13 to $14
Jupiter pays $0 dividends
Jupiter changes share price from $7 to $6
Jupiter changes share price from $6 to $5
Jupiter passes
-- Round: 9 Phase: 10 (Check Game End) --
-- Round: 10 Phase: 1 (Issue New Shares) --
Horse passes
Eagle passes
Orion passes
Ship passes
Bear passes
Saturn passes
Android issues a share and receives $8
Android changes share price from $9 to $8
Jupiter passes
-- Round: 10 Phase: 2 (Form Corporations) --
DanielB forms corporation Star with HH at $22 - 6 shares issued.
HA passes
-- Round: 10 Phase: 3 (Auctions And Share Trading) --
An-Jen T bids $86 for AL
An-Jen T buys AL for $86 from the bank
Paul B: Daniel, IfI buy BSR would you buy it from me for max?
DanielB: Paul, I well might, but you'd have to sell a horse and a ship... seems to expensive...for you... and I need FRA more...what are you thinking more exactly?
DanielB: i do need your help against An-Jen, and you buying his Renfe has really really thrown him in front, even though it doesn't show in the net worth yet. Perhaps you want to tag along with my companies? or perhaps Horse can get somewhere on its own, but I'm afraid it's just not got enough corps...
DanielB: companies to go very far (which why buying Renfe was a little short sighted, greens don't matter much for the end game...
DanielB: Star will be paying dividends...I'll be buying a share, you may want to do the same... or what is the plan with horse?
DanielB: you could buy star at $26, and I at $31, so it ends at $37 and pays a $10 dividend
Paul B passes
Paul B: I needed RENFE as much as (perhaps more than) An-Jen needed to sell it to me.
Eagle changes share price from $26 to $24
DanielB sells share of Eagle for $24
Bear changes share price from $11 to $9
Eric H. sells share of Bear for $9
Saturn changes share price from $10 to $11
Bryan Eastman buys share of Saturn for $11
Paul B passes
Star changes share price from $22 to $26
DanielB buys share of Star for $26
Bear changes share price from $9 to $7
Eric H. sells share of Bear for $7
Bryan Eastman passes
Paul B passes
DanielB passes
Saturn changes share price from $11 to $12
Eric H. buys share of Saturn for $12
Bryan Eastman passes
Paul B passes
DanielB passes
Eric H. passes
-- Round: 10 Phase: 4 (Determine New Player Order) --
New player order: Paul B, DanielB, Eric H., An-Jen T, Bryan Eastman
-- Round: 10 Phase: 5 (Foreign Investor Buys Companies) --
Foreign Investor buys BSR for $40 from the bank
-- Round: 10 Phase: 6 (Corporations Buys Companies) --
Orion buys SX for $8 from Bear
Bear buys KME for $7 from Orion
Bear buys AKE for $7 from Orion
Star buys PKP for $12 from Eagle
Android buys BD for $15 from Eagle
Star buys SZD for $16 from Android
Star buys KK for $13 from Eagle
Star buys DR for $15 from Eagle
Star buys SBB for $13 from Eagle
Star buys BY for $7 from Eagle
Eagle passes
Star passes
Saturn passes
Horse buys SNCF for $18 from Ship
Horse passes
Ship passes
-- Round: 10 Phase: 7 (Close Companies) --
MAD passes
RENFE passes
SNCF passes
NS passes
PR passes
OL passes
MS passes
SX passes
HA passes
AL passes
HH passes
PKP passes
SZD passes
KK passes
DR passes
SBB passes
BY passes
Bear closes KME
Bear closes AKE
MHE passes
BPM passes
-- Round: 10 Phase: 8 (Collect Income) --
Horse collects $35 income
Star collects $60 income
Eagle collects $-3 income
Orion collects $2 income
Ship collects $10 income
Saturn collects $12 income
Android collects $-3 income
Bear collects $-7 income
Jupiter collects $-3 income
Paul B collects $0 income
DanielB collects $0 income
Eric H. collects $0 income
An-Jen T collects $40 income
Bryan Eastman collects $0 income
Foreign Investor collects $25 income
Jupiter becomes bankrupt
-- Round: 10 Phase: 9 (Pay Dividends And Adjust Share Prices) --
Horse pays $4 dividends - Paul B receives $8
Horse changes share price from $31 to $34
Horse changes share price from $34 to $37
Star pays $8 dividends - DanielB receives $32
Star changes share price from $26 to $28
Star changes share price from $28 to $31
Eagle pays $0 dividends
Eagle changes share price from $24 to $22
Eagle changes share price from $22 to $20
Orion pays $3 dividends - Eric H. receives $6
Orion changes share price from $15 to $16
Orion changes share price from $16 to $18
Ship pays $0 dividends
Ship changes share price from $14 to $15
Ship changes share price from $15 to $16
Ship passes
Saturn pays $0 dividends
Saturn changes share price from $12 to $13
Saturn changes share price from $13 to $14
Saturn passes
Android pays $2 dividends - DanielB receives $2
Android changes share price from $8 to $6
Bear pays $0 dividends
Bear changes share price from $7 to $5
Bear passes
-- Round: 10 Phase: 10 (Check Game End) --
-- Round: 11 Phase: 1 (Issue New Shares) --
Horse passes
Star passes
Eagle passes
Orion passes
Ship passes
Saturn passes
Android issues a share and receives $0
Android changes share price from $6 to $0
Android becomes bankrupt
Bear passes
-- Round: 11 Phase: 2 (Form Corporations) --
An-Jen T forms corporation Wheel with AL at $41 - 6 shares issued.
HA passes
-- Round: 11 Phase: 3 (Auctions And Share Trading) --
Paul B passes
Star changes share price from $31 to $28
DanielB sells share of Star for $28
Eric H. passes
An-Jen T passes
Bryan Eastman passes
Paul B passes
DanielB bids $58 for FRA
DanielB buys FRA for $58 from the bank
Eric H. passes
An-Jen T passes
Bryan Eastman passes
Paul B passes
DanielB passes
-- Round: 11 Phase: 4 (Determine New Player Order) --
New player order: Paul B, DanielB, Eric H., An-Jen T, Bryan Eastman
-- Round: 11 Phase: 5 (Foreign Investor Buys Companies) --
Foreign Investor buys CDG for $56 from the bank
-- Round: 11 Phase: 6 (Corporations Buys Companies) --
Eagle buys FRA for $77 from DanielB
Star offers $11 for NS
Star offers $8 for SX
Star buys NS for $11 from Orion
Star buys SX for $8 from Orion
Orion buys MHE for $4 from Bear
DanielB: Just a reminder Eric, feel free to dividend yourself max ($4/share), but please also issue a share so that my buy cost is a little lower...I'll be sweeping the companies over, and maintenance will be $10 each, and I'll be out immediately, the amount I pay for your share (it will go bankrupt)...
DanielB: it's a pretty good deal for you, you should end up with existing $12 + $8 dividends + $13 for each share ($26) = $46 cash in the next round, and a liquid saturn share.... Feel free to buy Star, it will be paying full dividends
Eric H.: Yes, I figured it was time to make lemonade.
Ship offers $79 for CDG
Wheel declines to buy CDG from the Foreign Investor
Ship buys CDG for $79 from Foreign Investor
Wheel buys HA for $69 from An-Jen T
Horse passes
Paul B: Daniel, It may be a good deal (it looks reasonable, but I think that your estimate of Eric's proceeds is a little optimistic. I get existing $12 + $8 dividend + $10 for each share ($20) =$40 cash + Saturn share. Your falling Eagle share will give him another step lower.
Eric H.: I believe The plan is for me to buy Star not Eagle.
Eric H.: Oh I see what you mean. I am taking a big hit selling Orion because Eagle will be behind it. Well, the only other option is to ride Orion to hell when cost of ownership goes yo $10 this turn
Eric H.: I mean next turn
DanielB: Paul, Eric is elite company.
DanielB: He's an extraordinary tough sonofabitch
DanielB: He gave himself the silver bullet, not once, not twice, but three or four times in this game
DanielB: But he keeps on pluggin', trying to better his lot, like those fucked american workers who have been getting it in the chops since 1970, passing the baton from generation to generation....
DanielB: with a modicum of historical perspective, in the anthology of human events, the worker had never had it so well as the American in 1970, so that turned out to be an anomaly, not the norm...
DanielB: I actually don't think Eagle get's so much in the way....
DanielB: I'm guessing Saturn's paying dividends since 4 shares are owned, so it goes to $12, oh damn... eagle to 15, orion to 13, Saturn to 12, Ship up....
DanielB: Eagle issues, it's 12-13-14.... Okay, in that case, Eric- no need to issue with Orion, it stays at 12... you can sell at either 10 or 11 (depending on what Saturn does...), so yeah, it's not $46 + Saturn, it's more like $42 + Saturn....that's a lot of liquidity for an incredibly bad situation ERic the bad masochist challenges himself with...
DanielB: does anyone remember me exclaiming that ya'all shoulda bought a share of eagle? It paid $7 and $6 dividends and it could have been had for $14, $15, $16 (I formed at $13 and got 3 shares)... ...
DanielB: Or how about this one..... Bryan - can i pour some salt in your wounds?
DanielB: clearly i need to go to bed, my family is away, i'm wired and have been up since 4am... Onwards Christian Soldiers!
Saturn passes
Wheel passes
-- Round: 11 Phase: 7 (Close Companies) --
MAD passes
RENFE passes
SNCF passes
PR passes
OL passes
MS passes
MHE passes
E passes
CDG passes
AL passes
HA passes
HH passes
PKP passes
SZD passes
KK passes
DR passes
SBB passes
BY passes
NS passes
SX passes
HE passes
FRA passes
-- Round: 11 Phase: 8 (Collect Income) --
Wheel collects $48 income
Horse collects $35 income
Star collects $69 income
Eagle collects $12 income
Orion collects $-4 income
Ship collects $29 income
Saturn collects $12 income
Bear collects $-4 income
Paul B collects $0 income
DanielB collects $0 income
Eric H. collects $0 income
An-Jen T collects $0 income
Bryan Eastman collects $0 income
Foreign Investor collects $25 income
-- Round: 11 Phase: 9 (Pay Dividends And Adjust Share Prices) --
Wheel pays $3 dividends - An-Jen T receives $9
Wheel changes share price from $41 to $45
Horse pays $2 dividends - Paul B receives $4
Horse changes share price from $37 to $41
Horse changes share price from $41 to $50
Star pays $6 dividends - DanielB receives $18
Star changes share price from $28 to $31
Star changes share price from $31 to $34
Eagle pays $0 dividends
Eagle changes share price from $20 to $15
DanielB: Eric, I do NOT want to pay $20 for a share of Orion.... so please pay your max dividends, for the good of both of us
DanielB: I'm not loving this deal, but I'll go along with it, as long as you keep the cost to me low.... it's probably not a win win, as It prohibits me from buying another share of Star which will pay a $12 dividend this turn
Orion pays $4 dividends - Eric H. receives $8
Orion changes share price from $18 to $13
Ship pays $0 dividends
Ship changes share price from $16 to $18
Ship changes share price from $18 to $20
Eric H.: Daniel, if the deal is not as good for you as y ou thought it was initially that is not my fault. I already transferred assets to you for minimum price so we will finish the deal
DanielB: Eric, of course... it adds a little spice to the mix, makes it more enjoyable for you, and should be "okay" for me... i may benefit modestly through your purchase of a Star share by being able to distribute larger dividends in 12.6 and 13.6
Eric H.: Daniel I don't want "charity". If the deal did not make financial sense for you I would have preferred not to have it. I am not asking for a rollback,though. I just want to get through the game so we can go on to the next one .
Saturn pays $1 dividends - Eric H. receives $1 - Bryan Eastman receives $3
Saturn changes share price from $14 to $16
Bear pays $0 dividends
Bear changes share price from $5 to $0
Bear becomes bankrupt
Bear passes
-- Round: 11 Phase: 10 (Check Game End) --
-- Round: 12 Phase: 1 (Issue New Shares) --
Horse passes
Wheel issues a share and receives $41
Wheel changes share price from $45 to $41
Star issues a share and receives $31
Star changes share price from $34 to $31
Ship passes
Saturn passes
Eagle issues a share and receives $14
Eagle changes share price from $15 to $14
Orion passes
-- Round: 12 Phase: 2 (Form Corporations) --
-- Round: 12 Phase: 3 (Auctions And Share Trading) --
Paul B passes
DanielB passes
Saturn changes share price from $16 to $15
Eric H. sells share of Saturn for $15
An-Jen T bids $86 for RU
DanielB bids $87 for RU
DanielB buys RU for $87 from the bank
DanielB: Changed my mind after my pass. Realized 2/3rds chance RU would be better
An-Jen T: I figured I'd make you pay an extra $ at least :-)
DanielB: sure... but i should have figured it out before i passed, that RU was a good bit better for you!
DanielB: also, I think i should have dividended full, and bought to purples....but i'm committed to the gigantic synergy company.... though it's my preference to be more flexible because there is a bit too much inflexibility in building one gigantic corp
DanielB: two purples
Ship changes share price from $20 to $18
Bryan Eastman sells share of Ship for $18
Paul B passes
DanielB passes
Star changes share price from $31 to $34
Eric H. buys share of Star for $34
Eric H.: Dumping Orion next
An-Jen T bids $75 for MM
An-Jen T buys MM for $75 from the bank
Saturn changes share price from $15 to $16
Bryan Eastman buys share of Saturn for $16
Paul B passes
DanielB passes
Orion changes share price from $13 to $12
Eric H. sells share of Orion for $12
An-Jen T passes
Eric H.: Remember to set auto-passif you are done buying/selling
Bryan Eastman passes
DanielB: Paul. On u. Then I’ll buy orion
Paul B passes
Eric H.: Daniel, did Toby give you admin privs on the server? I can't figure out how you rolled back.
Orion changes share price from $12 to $13
DanielB buys share of Orion for $13
DanielB: No. I texted him
DanielB: Paul. Why don’t u sell a ship and buy a star
DanielB: I’ll pay $12 a share and double jump
Orion changes share price from $13 to $12
Eric H. sells share of Orion for $12
DanielB becomes president of Orion
An-Jen T passes
Eric H.: II wonder if Bryan set his game to auto-pass and the setting got reset with the rollback and he doesn't know it. Paul can you contact Bryan to check?
Bryan Eastman passes
Ship changes share price from $18 to $15
Paul B sells share of Ship for $15
DanielB passes
Eric H. passes
An-Jen T passes
Bryan Eastman passes
Eagle changes share price from $14 to $18
Paul B buys share of Eagle for $18
DanielB passes
Eric H. passes
An-Jen T passes
Bryan Eastman passes
Eagle changes share price from $18 to $20
Paul B buys share of Eagle for $20
Paul B becomes president of Eagle
DanielB passes
Eric H. passes
An-Jen T passes
Bryan Eastman passes
Eagle changes share price from $20 to $18
Paul B sells share of Eagle for $18
DanielB passes
Eric H. passes
An-Jen T passes
Bryan Eastman passes
Paul B passes
-- Round: 12 Phase: 4 (Determine New Player Order) --
New player order: Eric H., Paul B, An-Jen T, DanielB, Bryan Eastman
-- Round: 12 Phase: 5 (Foreign Investor Buys Companies) --
Foreign Investor buys FR for $60 from the bank
-- Round: 12 Phase: 6 (Corporations Buys Companies) --
Horse buys CDG for $28 from Ship
Horse buys FRA for $29 from Eagle
Wheel buys MM for $112 from An-Jen T
Ship buys SNCF for $29 from Horse
Horse passes
Eagle passes
DanielB: Wait. The whole reason
DanielB: Of autopass is to speed up the game. But if something unexpected
DanielB: And this is why bldg one giant Corp isn’t worth it. Paul that was damn sneaky.
DanielB: My complaint is autopass. As soon as I see that I can’t defend eagle I sell at $18. Not u. So the cost to u is non trivial. This is an attempt at a king making move from my perspective. On the other hand it’s also a Hail Mary your side. But I need to be able to respond and sell at $18 when Fra /Eagle is lost.
DanielB: I either want to roll back. Or be assured that eagle will pay full dividends and you will not sell eagle so that I can liquidate my share beginning of next stock round.
Eric H.: I agree with Daniel. You could never pull that off in a face to face game and it should not be allowed here. Paul is trying to take advantage of auto-pass.
Paul B: I can't really be objective here. I would, obviously, prefer no rollback, but if there is to be one, here are my terms. If everyone else called for a rollback I would consent only to allow you to sell your Eagle share (not to defend Eagle). This concession likely My feeling is that auto-pass is a very risky feature. You auto-pass at your own risk. If you're at all worried about the unexpected happening then you sacrifice the pace of the game and not auto-pass. Sure, that slows the game slightly, but pace is not the goal. I have made mistakes in the interest of pace, and continually berate myself to try to see what the risks are. This is not a face to face game, and does have different dynamics that need to be managed.
Paul B: While this series of actions was devastating to Daniel. I do not at all see it as kingmaking. In fact, I actually now see a path to my own victory.
Eric H.: Paul, in a face to face game Daniel would not have NEVER passed. I think you are pulling a sleazy move here and taking advantage of a mechanic meant to speed-up online play.
Paul B: That is certainly possible. As I said, it's hard for me to be objective now that I am smelling a chance to be close at the finish. How does everyone else feel? An-Jen? Bryan?
Eric H.: I am pretty sure I know what the inventor of the game would say about this. He is available on the site. We could ask him but I don't think you will like the answer.
Paul B: I will say that when I see any chance that I may need to take some sort of action, I do not use auto-pass. This was an action that Daniel could have foreseen.
Paul B: Ask away.
DanielB: 1st. No vitriol. I'm not pissed. But something does need to be done. I appreciate the creativity on Paul's part. I do wish you'd have responded to my suggestion about buying a Star... 2nd. I could hardly have prevented the takeover. When Paul sold Ship, I would have had to sell a Star to defend....
DanielB: that would have put me at $40...Paul buys an Eagle at $18, I buy one at $20,... it's defended.. BUT, if I pass when Paul sells Ship, giving him benefit of doubt that he is going to buy Star, then I lose Eagle... And look, I'm fine with that... But I do defend my liquidity by then selling Eagle at $18 once Paul buys the 2nd share...
DanielB: Given the large benefit to Paul of getting out of his second share, I must insist on the proposal to roll back to the point where Paul buys a 2nd share of Eagle...I'll then sell a share, and Paul can respond accordingly... Nice takeover, helps An-Jen a lot... but you don't get the cake and get to Eat it TOO!
Eric H.: First, as a shareholder of Star with spare cash around I am in a position to help defend Eagle which I would happily do to protect my dividend payout. Daniel is not the only one that is hurt here.
DanielB: Paul, it turns out, your move is even riskier than you think... I see why i wasn't worried about it. Not only do give me liquidity of Eagle at $18, pumping up my cash to $27, but then I WILL sell a Star share and steal Ship to get E & CDG for two shares (approx $40...) No Problem...see, that's why I wasn't worried about a takeover, I have a response that ends you up in worse shape than you started
DanielB: $42...
DanielB: I don't care a lot about losing a 3rd Star share, because all these nice companies are moving to a brand new corp in 13.6 as I think I've previously alluded to... Still, Star will get two massive payouts ($10-$11 this round and $11-$13 a share next round (Eric, I got your back, thanks for having mine... ), so my suggestion, is that we roll back to the point where Paul has stolen just Eagle...
DanielB: just stolen
An-Jen T: fyi, i'm ok with whatever you guys agree to. it's just a game ....
An-Jen T: I have one suggestion for our future games. Everyone gets to request and execyte 1 do-over per game. After that, we just play on.
Eric H.: As long as we exempt good faith interface goofs I am good with that.
An-Jen T: Well my intention is to include good faith goofs in your one do over. Disincentives not paying attention :-)
Eric H.: You going to buy me the big screen IPAD?
Eric H.: The pace of this game opened up more chances for errors. When we played at the slower pace mistakes were rarer.
DanielB: So shall I ask Toby to put us back to where Paul just purchased 2nd share of Eagle?
Paul B: Please see discussion on the "Home" page
An-Jen T: Eric, as Daniel pointed out, you can zoom out before you hit the damn button. I can understand doing it once in awhile, not repeatedly....
Eric H.: Where have I done it repeatedly?
Eric H.: I am referring to specifically to misclicks, not the other rollbacks.
An-Jen T: Exactly Eric, that is why 1 do-over is sufficient.
Saturn passes
DanielB: Paul/ others / it's my view that using "autopass" is a collective good. A game which take 40 days is better than one that takes 80 days...But the collective good, can't come at a cost of changing dramatically your position...
DanielB: Toby's point of view is different than others. I have played F2F with Toby. He values SPEED above most other considerations. His answer is consistent with that value. Paul, your vociferous enough. Obviously, in hind sight, your lack of response to my proposal was warning enough that you had a "plan", to steal. I got no problem with the plan. But I don't know you personally well enough to see that in not-responding to me, you were giving me an answer...That you would risk $99 of book value in order to steal $58 of book value didn't make sense to me, unless you knew that I couldn't respond...
DanielB: The argument that I had used up my liquidity is specious. I have more liquidity than anyone else on the board, including you, even after buying RU ($31 + $28 + $18) 2-shares Star, 1 share Eagle = $77 of liquidity...
DanielB: So Respectfully, I do take umbrage with the tactic of using, and "using" is the correct word, the collective good of "autopass" being used by other players, to steal assets for which there is a perfectly good counter-response play, were the "collective tool" of autopass turned off, or a warning given....
DanielB: Someone said that there is a feature, where autopass can be used, but all are given a message if someone sells a share. That makes sense, that type of system could be safeguard against a fair number of situations....
DanielB: Now perhaps you saw the great advantage in the midst of the caper, I can totally see that. But I respectfully disagree that we should play forward as the situation currently stands, because I don't believe that the intent of the game, is to be able to steal assets while others are asleep, fait accompli. Eric had a decent response to protect his asset, I had a giant, advantageous response.... What do you propose?
Paul B: The fact is that you had just done a rollback because you had utilized auto-pass when you shouldn't have. And I mean, just, as in this turn, this phase. I was waiting because once you bought Orion you were limited to selling a highly profitable corporation to generate liquidity.
Eric H.: The auto pass was a COURTESY extended to the other players to keep the damn game moving. Its not like Daniel derived any benefit from auto-pass, it was for the good of the game.
DanielB: Paul - the "highly profitable company" is going to pay great twice and become a shell... Of course I sell a share to steal your better company, E and CDG. I want to play Rolling Stock, not some other game. You don't sell down your better company to steal a worse company. I have $59 of liquidity, or $31 at a minimum, plus Eagle that you've freed up. It's just bad play.
DanielB: Imagine, we are playing a game in your family room. the 5 of us. You go to answer the telephone, or talk to your wife, or put your kids to bed. It's late in the stock round and you figure they can finish up without you. You come back to find that your company has been taken over, and they are in the company buying phase, and it's just your dumb luck to have walked away. tough. You shouldn't have had kids, or a wife, or whatever... is that really the game you want to play?
Paul B: Look, I won't be bullied into this. You're in the wrong, not me. You are the one who had (just) previously needed a rollback to keep from welching on a deal. Whether you originally intended to welch or whether you thought better of it and asked for the rollback is not clear (I'd not have thought any worse of you had you welched, although I know Eric would have). Once you had done this you proceeded to again set auto-pass and allowed yourself to be exposed to a stratagem that you failed to foresee. We are not playing in your family room. We are playing on-line. I was screwed in another game because I didn't scroll back to see that someone had made a move that affected me. That could never have happened face-to-face. You've played in many more of these games than I have, and should have learned by now that bad things can happen when you fail to pay proper attention. I'm not really interested in your hogwash about it being a move that was so stupid and so easily thwarted that you dismissed it.
Paul B: I am willing, in the interest of peace and harmony, to either accept a rollback to allow you to sell the share or to allow you to sell next turn, but I am not the bad guy here. Look at the comments of Weiswurst, Raymond and Toby, none of whom have a dog in the fight. I would have accepted a rollback but now don't wish to see the comments and record scrubbed..
Paul B: Correction, not willing to do a rollback anymore but will allow you to sell an Eagle if you agree to do it at your first opportunity.
DanielB: let's talk it out on the phone... this doesn't sit right and too lawyerly to go back and forth... Paul, Eric you are both up in Seattle right?
DanielB: I'm at 925 282 5800
DanielB: i can talk around 10pm ...if you can...I can deal with the non roll back if I can get FRA back
Star buys PR for $10 from Orion
Star buys MS for $9 from Orion
Star passes
Bryan Eastman: I'm not really cool with any rolling back. Let's just finish the game
Eric H.: There is a really big Asterix on this game if you can just buy two shares, steal a company, and dump a share without any response. Particularly as you got to sell Eagle into the top of the Stock slide stack, which is an incredible financial advantage for you. The benefits you derive here are far outside what is possible in the course of normal game play/
Wheel passes
-- Round: 12 Phase: 7 (Close Companies) --
MAD passes
RENFE passes
CDG passes
FRA passes
AL passes
HA passes
MM passes
E passes
SNCF passes
Paul B: I'll be happy to talk tonight, but getting FRA back was never in the cards. Even if I had agreed to a rollback it would have only been to let you dump an Eagle. I'm in DC. 10pm est?
Paul B: Eric, it's not my fault that Daniel made the active decision to auto-pass. This is not his first rodeo, and he had JUST gotten a rollback because he had made the choice to auto-pass. You may not buy this, but I had NO expectation that it would get auto-passed back to me when I made my move. Obviously, I exploited the situation once it was apparent I'd get multiple moves without response, but this was not a mis-click situation. This was an active bad decision that Daniel made. Generally, I am happy to allow takebacks to let someone recover from a game unbalancing blunder; however, this move was designed to have some element of surprise to it. The fact that Daniel was way more surprised than I could have expected is not my fault. Additionally, I have to say that the insulting assertion that my move was so strategically inept that it was not worth consideration has made me far less open to negotiation than I had been, initially.
Orion closes MHE
HH passes
PKP passes
SZD passes
KK passes
DR passes
SBB passes
BY passes
NS passes
SX passes
PR passes
MS passes
RU passes
-- Round: 12 Phase: 8 (Collect Income) --
Horse collects $51 income
Wheel collects $73 income
Star collects $33 income
Eagle collects $-7 income
Saturn collects $2 income
Ship collects $0 income
Orion collects $-7 income
Eric H. collects $0 income
Paul B collects $0 income
An-Jen T collects $0 income
DanielB collects $25 income
Bryan Eastman collects $0 income
Foreign Investor collects $20 income
-- Round: 12 Phase: 9 (Pay Dividends And Adjust Share Prices) --
Horse pays $0 dividends
Horse changes share price from $50 to $55
Horse changes share price from $55 to $60
Horse passes
Wheel pays $0 dividends
Wheel changes share price from $41 to $45
Wheel changes share price from $45 to $50
Wheel passes
Star pays $11 dividends - Eric H. receives $11 - DanielB receives $33
Star changes share price from $34 to $37
Star changes share price from $37 to $41
Eagle pays $2 dividends - Paul B receives $2 - DanielB receives $2
Eagle changes share price from $18 to $14
DanielB: Paul, do you have time to talk today during day? I'd like to get an agreement we can both live with. I had really been enjoying the game with you. I think that it is very unfortunate how this conflict occured, and I hope we can work through it as we do so many other things respectively....
Saturn pays $5 dividends - Bryan Eastman receives $20
Saturn changes share price from $16 to $13
Paul B: Just to put this into the game, so there are no private understandings, Daniel and I have spoken and agreed that I will buy a share agreed that I will buy a share of Eagle to allow him to sell at $14. He has agreed to not attempt a takeover of Ship this turn. Daniel, is that your understanding of our conversation?
Ship pays $1 dividends - Paul B receives $1
Ship changes share price from $15 to $11
Paul B: Oh, crap.
Paul B: I should have thought that out a little more. I didn't need the dollar that badly.
DanielB: Paul - yes, that is my understanding
Orion pays $3 dividends - DanielB receives $3
Orion changes share price from $12 to $10
-- Round: 12 Phase: 10 (Check Game End) --
-- Round: 13 Phase: 1 (Issue New Shares) --
Horse passes
Wheel issues a share and receives $45
Wheel changes share price from $50 to $45
Star passes
Eagle passes
Saturn passes
Ship passes
Orion issues a share and receives $9
Orion changes share price from $10 to $9
-- Round: 13 Phase: 2 (Form Corporations) --
DanielB forms corporation Jupiter with RU at $28 - 8 shares issued.
-- Round: 13 Phase: 3 (Auctions And Share Trading) --
Star changes share price from $41 to $37
Eric H. sells share of Star for $37
Eric H.: Time to get out. The dividend doesn't make up for the drop when you start cashing out.
Eric H.: Looks like an upcoming bidding war for OPC between Daniel and Paul.
DanielB: that sounds wrong...
DanielB: Eric - good move selling... share count tells you where the momentum is...
Eric H.: Paul/An-Jen, if I buy a share of Horse, what kind of dividend can you offer? The share bump would allow you to buy VP if you get outbid for OPC.
Eric H.: An-Jen will you be paying or dicvidends? If so, how much?
Eagle changes share price from $14 to $15
Paul B buys share of Eagle for $15
Eric H.: Wow, An-Jen, you can set me up with OPC at cost if you put it up for auction. I would sell it to Wheel for MAX this turn ( maybe a bit less next turn )
Eric H.: Bid Min and I will scarf it up for $71 and flip it back to Wheel for$107 this turn.
Eric H.: Or you can buy it next turn after you integrate TSI this turn for even more money.
Eric H.: Your massive cash lead gives you a safe lock on TSI so you could profit a lot by steering OPC to me for future re-sale.
DanielB: Eric u are quite the wheeler dealer. Love it. But I’m feeling a bit left out in the cold with your newest ideas
Eric H.: If you can make me a better deal that makes more money...
Eric H.: The problem seems to that the share prices, income, and number of outstanding shares for Star and Jupiter do not make them great investment opportunities relative to Wheel. The game does have a run-away leader aspect which we saw last game when everyone piled into you big company to grab the big dividend payouts.
An-Jen T bids $70 for OPC
DanielB: Eric. Opc is great value. I’ll buy it from u for max. Jupiter can go up at will as I feed it cheap book value from star. Jupiter is probably a better investment. But I don’t want a An Jen to get opc for less than $75
DanielB: Jupiter will pay good dividends and end at $60 a share or higher
DanielB: What happened to my turn. ??? I’m confused.
DanielB: Duh. Auction skips me
Paul B: It's between Eric and An-Jen, as they are the only 2 with enough $ to buy OPC. Once OPC is sold it goes to you.
Eric H. bids $71 for OPC
An-Jen T: Eric how about a deal, give me the right to buy it from you for max this turn or next, when you want sell and I will pass......
Eric H.: Max, next turn? Gives me a whole turn of income and lets you buy TSI.
An-Jen T: you got a deal
Eric H.: Deal?
Eric H.: Deal
An-Jen T leaves auction
Eric H. buys OPC for $71 from the bank
Eric H.: Sorry Daniel, but Jupiters share value is too low to support a good dividend. I think the $25 income now is a better play.
DanielB: Eric, np... try to remember the offer later and let me know what you think of it, postscript... actual: Will you sell Jupiter OPC?
Eagle changes share price from $15 to $14
DanielB sells share of Eagle for $14
Saturn changes share price from $13 to $12
Bryan Eastman sells share of Saturn for $12
DanielB: Eric, so you won't sell me OPC, is that correct?
DanielB: Eric, don't you see that Jupiter's price can be $37 or $41 this turn?
Eric H.: As clearly indicated in chat I consumated a deal with An-Jen to sell him OPC next turn in exchange for his dropping out of the bidding and let me get it at $71.
Eric H.: Deals made are deals kept.
Eric H.: Even if I did sell, the current price of OPC THIS turn doesn't matter since I can't afford Jupiter after buying OPC. I would rather just collect my $25 income from OPC this turn and sell OPC for the max to An-Jen next turn. That 37 + 25 = 62 over two turns. That a pretty decent return on investment for $71.
Eric H.: I am going to be last in the turn order next turn so I am not going to get any cheap shares next turn.
Eagle changes share price from $14 to $13
Paul B sells share of Eagle for $13
DanielB: sucks for me!
An-Jen T bids $100 for TSI
An-Jen T buys TSI for $100 from the bank
Star changes share price from $37 to $34
DanielB sells share of Star for $34
DanielB: Bryan, I'm cool with you buying a share of Jupiter. If you do, I'll buy it at $37, and it will rise to $45 and I'll buy in VP and HR..., then with $124 I can buy a few more, and get it to about $66 for game end....I don't know if that will be enough to catch Eric... i'll try however....I'll also dividend max final round, though not max this round.... well, maybe, haven't decided...having 5 shares out of 8 makes me think I'll dividend more...
An-Jen T: or you can sell another share and get in on the excitement building for Wheel!
DanielB: easy Tiger, I haven't ruled out the possibility of stealing Wheel!
DanielB: oh... well, i guess i'm a share short, somehow thought 3 shares would do! darn, do i have to take back my "easy Tiger"?
An-Jen T: still, it's a bargain at 45!
Jupiter changes share price from $28 to $31
Bryan Eastman buys share of Jupiter for $31
Eric H.: An-Jen if you guarantee max Wheel dividends I might consider selling you OPC this turn for max so I can buy Wheel next turn. Think about it.
Bryan Eastman: isn't next turn last turn?
Eric H.: If Daniel
Eric H.: Yes, you are right, assuming Daniel buys VP.
Eric H.: Which he will.
Eric H.: Hmm, for it to pay off I would have to buy Wheel first and get a dividend over $14 to beat buying and holding this turn and selling off for max next next turn.
Eric H.: An-Jen if you can show me how to beat the 62 I get by holding OPC this turn and selling for Max next turn I will consider buying Wheel.
DanielB: it's definitely the penultimate round now. The FI has $80!
DanielB: darn, meant to type "definitively"...
DanielB: did anyone notice the rollback key at the bottom of the page?
Eric H.: No, probably only the game "owner" sees it.
DanielB: damn, I'm really not sure VP is a better return than Jupiter shares....31% per turn is low for the last two rounds of the game...35%-40% is a good benchmark....that's why, if I could have stolen Wheel, Anjen's $100 investment in TSI would have been weak....
DanielB: sigh... it is, because I can only get to 1 extra share of Jupiter (because Wheel is in the way), and 1 share of Jupiter isn't as valuable as VP!
Ship changes share price from $11 to $14
Paul B buys share of Ship for $14
An-Jen T: Eric, I'm going to stick to our agreement ...... Even if I didn't want to, I don't think I could make an argument in favor of you selling early.
An-Jen T passes
Eric H.: Yeah, The math just didn't seem to work. I just wanted to give you a chance to find an option that would yield the both of us more money.
An-Jen T: Daniel, I think you are the only one who sees the rollback key, since you are the owner.
Jupiter changes share price from $31 to $37
DanielB buys share of Jupiter for $37
Saturn changes share price from $12 to $11
Bryan Eastman sells share of Saturn for $11
Paul B passes
DanielB: It’s damn tough to beat a company being fed to consume 4 purples! Working on it
DanielB: Paul. I’m feeling that lost $93 of income from FRA
DanielB: Maybe I figured out. So many choices. Eric you and Paul have really given me a one two pinch these last two rounds !
DanielB: Pumch
An-Jen T passes
Star changes share price from $34 to $31
DanielB sells share of Star for $31
Paul B: Daniel, Horse is buying FR from the foreign investor and will double jump both this turn and next turn. I haven't done the math regarding dividends, but I'll pay as much as I can. If you care to buy in I'd be happy to have your investment.
DanielB: I did. You can pay a total of $16 in dividends. And get to $100 I think. If I buy a share now you can pay $12 this turn and still rise to $81. If I buy a share will you commit to the $12 dividend this turn?
DanielB: Maybe then we can deal VP to horse in the last turn. That’s be a win too with a few synergies
DanielB: Bryan. I’ll be dividending with Jupiter too This turn. Somewhere between $6and $9 I think...
Paul B: Yes, I commit to a $12 dividend. I did the math and came to the same number that you did.
Paul B: I think I can pay a little more than you're projecting the following round but can't commit to that.
Paul B: News release: Executives of Horse Corp, Jupiter Corp, Star Corp, Ship Corp and Eagle Corp met today to discuss possible asset transfers. It was agreed in principal there is the strong possibility for a mutually beneficial swap of subsidiary companies. The swap of FRA and VP next round was discussed. The two sides still need to work out the details of price. Dividends that have been projected may need to be reconsidered to facilitate the deal. Term that were discussed include perhaps having the swap at an equal percentage of book value. 2/3 of book was mentioned as a possibility but has not been firmly agreed. The deal is still subject to FTC ant-trust considerations.
Eric H.: Paul GET BACK TO YOUR STUDYING!!!!
DanielB: Paul. I have an extra orange for ship if that helps
Paul B: I'll need it next turn; although I recognize that it might not still be available then.
DanielB: NP... will keep it in mind
Ship changes share price from $14 to $15
Bryan Eastman buys share of Ship for $15
Paul B passes
Eric H.: Bryan, just curious why you think Paull isn't going to do anything but dump his share of Ship at the beginning of next turn and gut it. It assets are better used to prop up a higher share jump company
Eric H.: Well. I may be missing something. If you somehow make money out of your Ship buy, kudos to you!
DanielB: Bryan, I'm afraid I overpromised....I don't have the companies to get to $60.... The $93 of lost income is a part of that ($11/share)...but that had already happened. The best I can do is get Jupiter to about $53 a share in total return, maybe a little higher if I missed something...Given that you bought your share at $31, that's not a bad return, but not what I thought it would be...
DanielB: buying Wheel for $50 would have given you $85 by my calculation, about the same percentage return, but better use of your liquid funds...of course, there was some chance that the $50 share would not have been available by the time you'd sold 3 Saturns, Frankly, a ship, a saturn and a jupiter, might have just as good a return...
DanielB: I have had a long time to consider my play... many white board calculations, and I think I've figured out the best set of actions...there were very many choices that would place me behind the $465 or so I think that An-Jen will finish at....
DanielB: hopefully I've come on a strategy that will get me over that number...don't freak out, i'll be selling Jupiter shares this round and buying them back next round...And I can't dividend this round if I want to get to $50 and about a $3 dividend or $37 and a $15 dividend next round....tough game
An-Jen T passes
Eric H.: Woah, you made Bryan a deal to buy Jupiter. At $37. You are not keeping your deal? I am pretty sure Bryan would have bought Wheel instead.
Eric H.: I mean not only are you not buying as you said you would, you are not dividending.
Eric H.: It's very likely Wheel WILL be dividending this turn so you are really not being up front about the extent Bryan is getting shafted here.
Eric H.: Even though it guarantees Bryan will finish behind me ( which he probably would anyway ) I am not cool with people using pre-empetive deals ( e.g. Getting Bryan to buy Jupiter INSTEAD of Wheel ) that they do not keep.
Eric H.: Preemptive deals are a valid strategy. UNFULFILLED pre-emptive deals are bad form. They may be legal in the rules but I assure you people WILL remember.
DanielB: Eric, easy Tiger... I made a mistake in calculation (as An-Jen told me), and I did do what I said I would do "I'm cool with you buying a share of Jupiter. If you do, I'll buy it at $37....which was a mistake. And Eric, the direct collaboration with An-Jen has been rough on me...Then me not being able to respond to the autopass fiasco....! Me imploring you and Bryan not to kill yourselves repeatedly early on....
Jupiter changes share price from $37 to $34
DanielB sells share of Jupiter for $34
Bryan Eastman passes
Paul B passes
Eric H.: I don't think mistakes excuse you from keeping a deal. It is all too easy to claim that you made a mistake in calculation as the basis for not keeping a deal. I do not have a big dog in this fight as I kind of benefit but I will tell you that your deal making credibility is really undermined here.
Eric H.: BTW, Bryan may have set auto-pass before he saw your message and cannot to your dumping of Jupiter until he sees it. You may very well be in Paul's position last turn fairly soon.
Eric H.: cannot respond I mean.
Eric H.: It would be perfectly reasonable for him to auto-pass on the assumption that you would NOT dump Jupiter since you had a deal in place whereby you promised to support his position in Jupiter.
DanielB: I AM supporting Bryan's position in Jupiter. As it stands now, it would FALL, due to not enough value... I'm thinking through TWO turns Eric. Something you may want to also do in the next game....
DanielB: I have already laid out the economics - 70% return on both Wheel and Jupiter over the two rounds. And there was high uncertainty as to whether a $50 Wheel share would have been available for Bryan since he need 4 actions before he could afford it. Buying 4 Saturn's when it's about to die wasn't good portfolio management, the bid-ask spread is too high
DanielB: Two much grumbling... I'll go the other way.... ( i was going to sell a Jupiter, buy VP and Horse), but given the incessant commentary on Eric's part, I'll try to make it work the other direction... - keep Jupiter - grow it to $41, dividend as originally expected...
DanielB: keeps me from losing about $20 on bid-ask spreads which offsets the $35 gain from VP that I won't get
Eric H.: Daniel, I am not Brian, I expect he has his own opinion. I am just stating that if you had such a deal with ME I would consider your dumping a share of Jupiter RIGHT AFTER I BOUGHT IT (at your encouragement) a direct contravention of the deal. The match is NOT relevant here. You said you would do one thing and did another.
Eric H.: math not match
DanielB: an-jen, are you thinking of selling Wheel? Ah where's autopass when you need it! An-Jen, what timezone are you in? Eric, Bryan bought at $31. It was I that bought at $37 and sold at $34!
Eric H.: "Bryan, I'm cool with you buying a share of Jupiter. If you do, I'll buy it at $37, and it will rise to $45"
Eric H.: So, the first part of the statement is strictly true but NOT the second. I also get from your recent comments " I'll go the other way.... ( i was going to sell a Jupiter, buy VP and Horse)" that you actually planned to sell down yet ANOTHER share.
Eric H.: So really leaving him with a net share drop with no dividends this turn versus what he COULD have earned by buying Wheel.
Eric H.: Basically you re-tuned your strategy
Eric H.: without considering the constraints of the deal you already made.
Eric H.: You ditched the deal to re-optimize and the re-retroactively claim that the deal can't be implemented because it doesn't let you execute your change in strategy.
Eric H.: So if the deal works you keep it. If you find another strategy that works better you ditch it.
DanielB: Eric. Kindly get off my case.
An-Jen T passes
Horse changes share price from $60 to $66
DanielB buys share of Horse for $66
Bryan Eastman passes
Paul B passes
DanielB: Paul, I love the deal we were working. But the rankor from Eric and a certain obligation despite false estimates, led to a revelation that I can do what I originally had wanted to do with Jupiter...it works, just not with VP...In my defense, I never told Bryan to buy Jupiter... the level of emotion is just a wee bit high for me in the chat box... and sometimes I start it! sigh....
Paul B: It's an interesting conversation as to what constitutes a deal. You made a proposal and Bryan acted on the proposal. If I was setting the groundrules as to what constitutes a deal I would have something like a 3 step process 1. Proposal 2. Acceptance of proposal 3. Confirmation,
Paul B: It's very close in the situation with Bryan because you were very specific: "If you do x I'll do y" and he did x. However, I feel like there should have been some sort of confirmation by Bryan that there actually was a deal before he acted on it.
Paul B: I could see that the possibilities for what we were discussing were unraveling.
Paul B: I have not thought this through at all, but perhaps you could but VP from the Foreign Investor and then we could see if we can work a swap during the final turn.
Paul B: buy
Paul B: No, that doesn't look like it would work for you since you need cash to purchase the Star Corp assets.
Paul B: Daniel, If possible I'd like Ship to buy PR from Star Corp for $10. This will allow the most efficient transfer of assets from Eagle and Ship to Horse in the final turn. If you do that, I can move a chunk of Eagle's cash to Ship this turn and then to Horse next turn.
DanielB: Paul, I was hoping to move ship over... is it the dollar amount, what if it was MS? can it be more money, fundamentally it can be PR, just let me know if it could be BY or MS.... though overall it doesn't make a big difference...
DanielB: i gotta go to bed, happy to discuss stuff about contracts after...
DanielB: i could do VP simply buy selling One jupiter and not buying a Wheel... but I think I'll stick to this plan to buy a wheel and we'll figure out a company for you to move assets... it could even be NS, maybe... though i also need stuff, to move over... be specific with your plans and I'm sure I'll have a company for you that works... gotta go now...
An-Jen T passes
Paul B: My goal is to keep both Ship and Eagle alive while feeding as much value as possible to Horse. I'm planning for Eagle to buy SNCF, but I need to leave Eagle with $11 to pay maintenance. This means that the most I can pay for SNCF is $23. Therefore, Ship is $2 short of a share price increase. PR provides +9 but after maintence gives me the +2 that I need.. It also provides a placeholder for the final turn when I move everything to Horse. Neither MS not BY does the same.
Paul B: Actually, thinking about it now, it looks like Eagle still goes bankrupt in the final turn. Let me rethink things. Maybe the demise of Eagle is inevitable, and I just need to grab all of its cash.
Paul B: Yes, I do need PR because Eagle needs to live long enough for me to rescue SNCF.
DanielB: i have accepted the demise of Orion, it was too expensive ($20), to keep it alive to preserve my $5 ending share value...
Wheel changes share price from $45 to $50
DanielB buys share of Wheel for $50
Bryan Eastman passes
Paul B passes
An-Jen T passes
DanielB passes
-- Round: 13 Phase: 4 (Determine New Player Order) --
New player order: An-Jen T, Paul B, DanielB, Eric H., Bryan Eastman
-- Round: 13 Phase: 5 (Foreign Investor Buys Companies) --
Foreign Investor buys VP for $80 from the bank
-- Round: 13 Phase: 6 (Corporations Buys Companies) --
Wheel buys TSI for $140 from An-Jen T
DanielB: Paul. If u see any chance of me buying FRA from you let me know. I’d be delighted to do so this turn or next.
Orion buys BY for $9 from Star
Jupiter buys DR for $15 from Star
Jupiter buys KK for $13 from Star
Jupiter buys HH for $24 from Star
Jupiter buys SBB for $13 from Star
Jupiter buys SX for $8 from Star
Jupiter buys PKP for $12 from Star
Jupiter buys SZD for $16 from Star
DanielB: paul, is there any chance you can buy OL from Orion instead.... ?that'd be my preference
Saturn passes
Wheel passes
DanielB: Paul. Was it this turn Let me know what works.
Horse buys FR for $84 from Foreign Investor
Ship offers $10 for PR
Paul B: Daniel, Yes, it's this turn, after all. Actually, NS works even better if it's all the same to you. Next turn, I could even swap NS back for BY if that would be helpful at all.
Ship offers $13 for NS
DanielB: i'm happy to do NS, but i'd like more than $13...since it's profitable now, and I can move $27 over to Jupiter next turn with it...- obviously if we can do an NS or PR for FRA I'm much more flexible...NS/PR for those prices now, FRA for $60 next round?
DanielB: oh, with the swap back that may be useful, the FRA is a much bigger deal
DanielB: to me
Jupiter buys OL for $7 from Orion
DanielB: Paul, if you are going to grow ship, why do you want a non-performing company now? is it the book value? ah hah, i see, book value - okay, how about NS for $7 less than book value, still get's you to $96 for a double jump ($14), and I'll buy it back for the same price next turn, and you can buy szd or nothing or an orange... still waiting on FRA pricing (most important)...
Star declines to sell PR to Ship for $10
Star declines to sell NS to Ship for $13
Jupiter buys PR for $10 from Star
Paul B: I lose $1 of book value when I sell SNCF to Eagle for $23.
Paul B: $23 is the most Eagle can afford to pay. All these moves will get E and SNCF into Horse and buy RENFE for max to provide the most lucrative last turn for Horse.
Ship offers $13 for NS
Paul B: I would need to sell FRA for $81 which is break even for me ($58 + $15 + $8). You still make out, as it generates way more for you.
DanielB: will you sell me NS back next turn? I have the problem of not having enough companies to buy with Star from Jupiter...
DanielB: will you sell me HE now.... there has to be a way to make this work better....
DanielB: I'm actually losing a $4 profit with NS now, and losing my ability to move money from Star to Jupiter...sorry know it's late there...maybe we can talk when i drive in the morning 9:30-10:20 pst
DanielB: I have $145 to move from Star to Jupiter... I don't have the companies to do so....
DanielB: i'll likely have 5 shares of Jupiter... so I don't think I can do this...
Ship buys NS for $13 from Star
DanielB: FRA not going to work out... and i screwed up not saving Orion... sigh...oh well
Jupiter passes
DanielB: I'd like to buy HE from you, or anything... with Jupiter, once you move SNCF over
DanielB: this round
DanielB: looks like i should have bought VP.... this isn't going to make it...close... but not quite...
Eric H.: Extensive Out of band deal making via phone calls is not fair to other players.. All decisions/commitments arsing from OOB communication should be put into chat so all players can we the negotiated course of action.
Eric H.: Arising. So player can see.
Eric H.: It's fine for this phase as it speeds up asynchronous communications but is really not appropriate as it changes he nature of the game.
Eric H.: If long term plans are made via phone without other player being given the chance to react.
Eagle buys SNCF for $23 from Ship
Paul B: I don't need HE this turn, and would happily get rid of it, but I do need it next turn. It appears that you've already passed, so for round the question is moot, yes?
Paul B: My current plan is that next turn HE will die with Eagle, and unless I can figure a way to change this or I recalc and it looks like a really bad idea NS will go down with the Ship.
Paul B: You seem to still wish to take some action this round, so I'm reluctant to pass... But you've already passed...
Ship passes
-- Round: 13 Phase: 7 (Close Companies) --
AL passes
HA passes
MM passes
TSI passes
OPC passes
MAD passes
RENFE passes
CDG passes
FRA passes
FR passes
HE passes
SNCF passes
E passes
RU passes
DR passes
KK passes
HH passes
SBB passes
SX passes
PKP passes
SZD passes
OL passes
PR passes
NS passes
-- Round: 13 Phase: 8 (Collect Income) --
Horse collects $90 income
Wheel collects $130 income
Jupiter collects $61 income
Star collects $-7 income
Ship collects $0 income
Eagle collects $-11 income
Saturn collects $2 income
Orion collects $-7 income
An-Jen T collects $0 income
Paul B collects $0 income
DanielB collects $0 income
Eric H. collects $25 income
Bryan Eastman collects $0 income
Foreign Investor collects $30 income
-- Round: 13 Phase: 9 (Pay Dividends And Adjust Share Prices) --
Paul B: Daniel, I'd like to pay out $11, but I promised $12. Would you be okay with $11 if I commit to paying at least $1 more than you had projected next round? I'm okay if you want to insist on$12. No big deal either way.
Horse pays $12 dividends - Paul B receives $24 - DanielB receives $12
Horse changes share price from $66 to $73
Horse changes share price from $73 to $81
Wheel pays $3 dividends - An-Jen T receives $9 - DanielB receives $3
Wheel changes share price from $50 to $55
Wheel changes share price from $55 to $60
Jupiter pays $7 dividends - DanielB receives $28 - Bryan Eastman receives $7
Jupiter changes share price from $34 to $37
Jupiter changes share price from $37 to $41
Star pays $0 dividends
Star changes share price from $31 to $28
Star changes share price from $28 to $26
Ship pays $0 dividends
Ship changes share price from $15 to $16
Ship changes share price from $16 to $18
Ship passes
Eagle pays $0 dividends
Eagle changes share price from $13 to $12
Eagle changes share price from $12 to $10
Eagle passes
Saturn pays $0 dividends
Saturn changes share price from $11 to $12
Saturn passes
Orion pays $0 dividends
Orion changes share price from $9 to $8
Orion changes share price from $8 to $7
-- Round: 13 Phase: 10 (Check Game End) --
-- Round: 14 Phase: 1 (Issue New Shares) --
Horse passes
Paul B: To any with free cash: I will not issue a Ship share. It will drop at the dividend phase, but I believe I'll be able to pay out more than the drop. It should have $54 cash and $10 upkeep which means I can pay max dividends (but no more than $7). It will lose share value but will still be a plus investment.up to $24/share. All investors are welcome.
Wheel passes
Jupiter passes
Star issues a share and receives $24
Star changes share price from $26 to $24
Ship passes
DanielB: Paul, I've never seen such an awesome "blue-only" company...
Saturn passes
Eagle passes
Orion issues a share and receives $6
Orion changes share price from $7 to $6
-- Round: 14 Phase: 2 (Form Corporations) --
OPC passes
-- Round: 14 Phase: 3 (Auctions And Share Trading) --
Jupiter changes share price from $41 to $45
An-Jen T buys share of Jupiter for $45
Ship changes share price from $18 to $20
Paul B buys share of Ship for $20
Paul B: Daniel, Horse will pay $13 and go to $100 if you hold. Ship will lose $4 of share value but pay $7.
Paul B: The Ship statement assumes that the share price rises $22 and Bryan does not sell to decrease share price. In any case, it will pay max (up to $7).
DanielB: Paul. I’m holding horse. Won’t you sweep “E” into horse?
Star changes share price from $24 to $26
DanielB buys share of Star for $26
Eric H.: Paul, I will buy Ship if you pay 7 in dividends. DEAL?
Eric H.: AND you don't dump any Ship shares. DEAL?
Paul B: Deal
Eric H.: One more time. You pay $7 in Dividends AND you don't sell off your Ship shares? DEAL?
Paul B: The only thing that could stop $7 in dividends is if Bryan sells a share. If the share price is below $22 then I won't be able to, but other than that its a deal
Paul B: Even if Bryan sells (and no one else buys) I will still pay max dividends which would be $6.
Eric H.: OK, well even if he sells his share it is still net 1 to me after the share drop plus he cuts his own throat. DEAL
Ship changes share price from $20 to $22
Eric H. buys share of Ship for $22
Paul B: Daniel, Yes, E will be coming to Horse.
Eric H.: Meh, its net zero to me when Brian dumps Ship. He pockets 2, avoids the double drop but gives up the $7 dividend if he sells. So he loses 1 by selling by my math.
Paul B: I don't see it that way. If he sells he gets $20. If he holds, the share price finishes at $18 and he gets a $7 dividend, so there's a $5 difference.
Paul B: And what else is there to do with the money, anyway?
Eric H.: You are right. I was double counting his sell
Bryan Eastman: Thinking about buying a wheel.
Saturn changes share price from $12 to $11
Bryan Eastman sells share of Saturn for $11
Wheel changes share price from $60 to $66
An-Jen T buys share of Wheel for $66
An-Jen T: Bryan, let me know if there is anything I can do to encourage your purchase!
DanielB: Bryan, ending value of Wheel should be exactly $82...., it's only a $9 profit, from buying at $73 - Jupiter should end up at $58, a $13 profit, or a $17 profit from selling... you took away my purchase at $45, it's a loser to sell Jupiter now for Wheel
Paul B: Wheel is committed to buying OPC for max which will put wheel at $592. You should get a bump from $73 to $81 plus a dollar dividend if my math is right. To earn that you immediately sacrifice $4 in Jupiter, $2 in Ship not to mention any dividends or capital gains.
Paul B: My only caveat about advising against the Wheel purchase is that Daniel just bought a Star. That purchase has me scratching my head and wondering if he has some sort of grand switcheroo planned dumping Jupiter to buy Star perhaps, Daniel?
Paul B passes
DanielB: Paul. I don't. It was simply to protect my assets from An-jen, otherwise I'd have moved it all over.... On second hand, maybe i should crunch the numbers more on Star....maybe it could work....but i'd be giving up wheel (no big deal), and horse (big deal)...and wouldn't be free to sell down jupiter due to An-Jen's humoungous liquidity
DanielB: actually, it's a pretty brilliant idea, but there's no need to trash Jupiter....if I can put $120 in it's kitty (another $94), i can pay $15/share = + $37 ending value = $52 a share, and meanwhile grow Star leaps and bounds and get to 4 shares as well, and hold on to Horse... Thanks Paul... i'll consider making them both "great@"!
Paul B: Bryan, You bought Ship for $15 and can sell now for $20. If you hold your investment will be worth $18 + $7 dividend for $25 total.
DanielB: because if I sell wheel, I can buy two Stars - and that's better than my $21 return on Wheel
DanielB: Bryan, I'm going for it. Jupiter will pay a $15 dividend... but sell a Ship and buy a Star... Star will end at $41 or $45 and pay a $10 dividend...I should earn $15+ on each Star....
Wheel changes share price from $66 to $60
DanielB sells share of Wheel for $60
Eric H. passes
DanielB: my sale has no effect on the total return of Wheel....it will still finish at $81+1....
DanielB: ie., $73 + $8 or $9 dividend
DanielB: An-Jen, you are free to join in the Star-fest, or give up Jupiter's $11 gain.... gotta love an endgame that provides this much action
Paul B: An-Jen, a share of ship will still net a $3 profit, not flashy but safe like a CD.
Paul B: An-Jen, you might even consider the last share of Horse. At a $90 purchase price there is only $10 of capital gain to be had, but when you add in the $13 dividend it's not bad.
DanielB: It's actually good. Quite good. Not as good as Star!
Bryan Eastman passes
Jupiter changes share price from $45 to $41
An-Jen T sells share of Jupiter for $41
Paul B passes
Star changes share price from $26 to $28
DanielB buys share of Star for $28
Eric H. passes
DanielB: Bryan. Don’t you want to sell a ship and buy a star? It will make you the most money
DanielB: Bryan, if you buy a Star it will be idea, I'll buy a Jupiter, then Jupiter will pay full dividends $15, and fall to $37 (total return of $52), then Star will climb to $37, jump over jupiter, end at $41 and pay $5 of dividends (total return of $46), sound good?
DanielB: this optimizes both the return of Jupiter and the Return of Star....
DanielB: Paul, if Bryan doesn't want it, would you want a star, I know you would need to sell a Ship, but the return would dwarf ships...
Paul B: I'm not buying your math. So, no, I'm not interested.
DanielB: Blasphemy, my math challenged... erhmm...
Bryan Eastman passes
Wheel changes share price from $60 to $66
An-Jen T buys share of Wheel for $66
Paul B passes
DanielB: Paul, are you sure you get to a $13 dividend with Horse?
Jupiter changes share price from $41 to $45
DanielB buys share of Jupiter for $45
Eric H. passes
DanielB: Paul, I can make an extra $10 if i sell down a star and horse and buy two Jupiters....sigh...not sure if it's worth the wait...however...I do see how you get to an $11 dividend...
Jupiter changes share price from $45 to $41
Bryan Eastman sells share of Jupiter for $41
DanielB: Bryan, why thanks, what's your plan... throwing good money after bad!
DanielB: the frictional costs in this game are so high, one must be careful at buying and selling, big bid-ask spreads!
An-Jen T passes
Paul B passes
Paul B: So, Here is the plan for a $13 Horse dividend. Let's see if the math works. $295 + $84 income gives us a $379 staring point. Adding E (for $22) adds $21 of book value (we'll look at additional income in a moment), Adding SNCF (for $13) adds $11 of book value, so our subtotal is $411. E synergizes with SNCF and CDG for +$2. SNCF synergizes with RENFE and CDG (oops, I had previously counted the E synergy twice) for -$2. This leaves us at $411 and a $12 dividend.
Paul B: Knight Ridder: Horse Corp. executives have reduced their projections for quarterly profits and dividends. Foreign currency exchange rates and one-time costs associated with integrating acquisitions were cited as causes for the new guidance. The executives stressed that the business outlook remains strong and sales of the flagship Widgi-Lux product remain robust. Dean Witter Reynolds has whispered their reiteration that you should beg, borrow or steal whatever you can to buy this stock.
Paul B: Knight Ridder: Correction: The brokerage cited was incorrect. Guidance was whispered by EF Hutton (In our defense, sometimes in a crowded room people don't hush up quickly enough and its hard to tell where the whisper originated).
DanielB passes
Eric H. passes
Eric H.: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZBNdszL3iA
Paul B: Eric, that's awesome!
Eric H.: Yeah, its too bad the sound and video quality is so bad. I think they had to distort to avoid the algorithms that ferret out copyright infringement.
Paul B: I think Horse might still actually be able to pay a $13 dividend. There is a deal that could be made with Bryan to buy BR from Saturn. As of now he can pay $2 and drop $2 for break even. If he were to sell BR and buy HE he could pay $3 and drop $2 for a $1 profit. Does that work for you, Bryan?
DanielB: bryan, that sell hurt, what the hell is your plan, your trading an $11 or $17 gain on Jupiter and $3 gain on Ship for a single $9 gain on Wheel? Please help us understand your thinking... I'm really curious
Ship changes share price from $22 to $24
Bryan Eastman buys share of Ship for $24
An-Jen T passes
Paul B passes
DanielB passes
Eric H. passes
Star changes share price from $28 to $31
Bryan Eastman buys share of Star for $31
Bryan Eastman: I think Saturn will cheerfully sell its green for an orange. Totally makes good business sense, I’m not screwing minority shareholders at all. :)
An-Jen T passes
Paul B passes
DanielB passes
Eric H. passes
Bryan Eastman passes
-- Round: 14 Phase: 4 (Determine New Player Order) --
New player order: An-Jen T, Paul B, DanielB, Eric H., Bryan Eastman
-- Round: 14 Phase: 5 (Foreign Investor Buys Companies) --
-- Round: 14 Phase: 6 (Corporations Buys Companies) --
DanielB: Bryan, you screwed me by selling a Jupiter instead of a ship. For the life of me I don't understand why you did that...and you don't respond when I ask... In consideration thereof, I can make Star Strong, or not... for the same score... I guess I won't. YOur sale of Jupiter costs me $20 to my end score
Star buys OL for $18 from Jupiter
Star buys SX for $20 from Jupiter
Star buys PR for $24 from Jupiter
Star buys SZD for $41 from Jupiter
Jupiter buys MS for $9 from Star
DanielB: Guys, Full disclosure. I tested the rollback feature when I was buying companies between Star and Jupiter just now. It works smoothly. Game owner can rollback multiple actions. Each rollback is one click, and it only affects the last move of one player. So if you need to roll back two actions to get to the "mulligan", you need to press twice...if there is text posted in the intervening space, it is removed...
Jupiter passes
Star passes
Wheel offers $107 for OPC
Saturn offers $8 for HE
Wheel buys OPC for $107 from Eric H.
Saturn buys HE for $8 from Eagle
Horse offers $19 for BR
Horse buys E for $22 from Ship
Horse buys BR for $19 from Saturn
Paul B: Oh crap. I should have stuck with the original plan. Horse would have paid less, but Eagle would have survived.
Paul B: Anyone care to buy SNCF? Will trade it for an orange.
Paul B: Daniel?
Paul B: Oh never mind. eagle has no cash.
Ship passes
Wheel passes
-- Round: 14 Phase: 7 (Close Companies) --
AL passes
HA passes
MM passes
TSI passes
OPC passes
MAD passes
RENFE passes
CDG passes
FRA passes
FR passes
E passes
BR passes
Star closes OL
Star closes SX
Star closes PR
RU passes
DR passes
KK passes
HH passes
SBB passes
PKP passes
MS passes
Foreign Investor closes FS
Foreign Investor closes BSR
-- Round: 14 Phase: 8 (Collect Income) --
Horse collects $82 income
Wheel collects $187 income
Jupiter collects $27 income
Star collects $-4 income
Ship collects $-10 income
Saturn collects $-13 income
Eagle collects $-10 income
Orion collects $-13 income
An-Jen T collects $0 income
Paul B collects $0 income
DanielB collects $0 income
Eric H. collects $0 income
Bryan Eastman collects $0 income
Foreign Investor collects $30 income
Eagle becomes bankrupt
Orion becomes bankrupt
-- Round: 14 Phase: 9 (Pay Dividends And Adjust Share Prices) --
Horse pays $13 dividends - Paul B receives $26 - DanielB receives $13
Horse changes share price from $81 to $90
Horse changes share price from $90 to $100
Wheel pays $1 dividends - An-Jen T receives $5
Wheel changes share price from $66 to $73
Wheel changes share price from $73 to $81
Jupiter pays $5 dividends - DanielB receives $25
Jupiter changes share price from $41 to $45
Jupiter changes share price from $45 to $50
Star pays $6 dividends - DanielB receives $18 - Bryan Eastman receives $6
Star changes share price from $31 to $28
Star changes share price from $28 to $26
Ship pays $7 dividends - Paul B receives $21 - Eric H. receives $7 - Bryan Eastman receives $14
Ship changes share price from $24 to $22
Ship changes share price from $22 to $20
Saturn pays $3 dividends - Bryan Eastman receives $3
Saturn changes share price from $11 to $10
Saturn changes share price from $10 to $9
-- Round: 14 Phase: 10 (Check Game End) --
Game over. DanielB ($493), An-Jen T ($446), Paul B ($316), Eric H. ($140), Bryan Eastman ($104)
Bryan Eastman: Gg
DanielB: What a game! It’d be interesting for you all to give a recap of your perspectives and lessons learned. Me too
Paul B: Well done, Daniel. You overcame adversity and managed to win by a solid margin.
Eric H.: I think An-Jen was to
Eric H.: Needed to be more active in deal making, particularly pre-emptive deal making.
Eric H.: Maybe not possible though since he did not found Wheel until fairly late in the game and Daniel's yellow monopoly meant that my assets were ONLY of value to Daniel.
Paul B: I think An-Jen issuing a share in 12.1 was a mistake
DanielB: Paul, I agree, An-Jen was too heavy a diluter.... but the giant mistakes were those in round 1 and 2.... and later mid-round on Jupiter, etc... Bryan bidding $5 on BSE and someone bid @11 on BPM (eric?), and then MHE going for bucks in round 2... those are all overpays. they rarely work, and very often kill an entire game...
Paul B: Wheel had plenty of liquidity from the outset. Issuing a share when you hold 3 shares is too painful if you don't have an immediate use for the cash. It's not the end of the world if you have to hold a purple for a turn while your company gains enough cash to buy it.
DanielB: V1 and v2 are fairly differnet... reds and oranges really mostly suck in V1. Yellows are decent, Cheap greens are Gods...
DanielB: Paul- that's perfectly articulated.... My beef with Paul, was the deal with the devil - the deal for Renfe... as it led to a $130 (25%) ending score difference between you two. It's a game of Delta's, RENFE was really good for Horse, but the cash was even more good for An-Jen
Paul B: You were just upset because that deal wasn't good for you. At the time, I needed that deal even more than An-Jen did.
Paul B: My game died somewhere between turn 8 and 9.3.
Paul B: I probably should have started a corporation in 8.1 which would have given me a blue in 8.3.
Paul B: As it was I got desperate in 9.3. I didn't foresee An-Jens liquidity and then I didn't want to get into a bidding war for HA (which I really wanted). I should have stayed in the HA auction and seen how it went. Then I didn't look at the share price chart prior to selling a Ship.
Paul B: Starting the corp in 8.1 would have capitalized on (and pushed further) my prior efforts to speed up the game. I think it would have bumped the cost of ownership one turn earlier which would have put Daniel under pressure.
DanielB: no... i was upset because I saw that the deal would knock you out of the running, and you didn't see it...it knocked you out because you could never catch An-jen (I had more resources, it hurt me, but I could rely on opening new companies and squeezing all the value out of the old ones...
DanielB: I did really believe An-Jen had it when he secured the deal with Eric for OPC... he hurt himself by buying and selling jupiter and by not buying Jupiter when it was $28... he could have coopted my advantage by buying my share cheap...
Paul B: I was already dead at that point. I was stuck with Horse which was only going to be able to jump one share price. I had Ship, too, but like Horse it only held one company, so there was no flexibility.
DanielB: Eric - can you walk us through your game? You seemed to be thinking a bunch of things could work... we didn't understand, and didn't mean to give you a hard time, it was just unavoidable....
An-Jen T: Daniel, I have to agree with what Paul stated. Now I know I did not play the end game optimally, but I feel as though you were sandbaggin my position as if I had some sort of insurmountable lead. Granted, Paul making the deal helped me more than it helped him, but it is, in my opinion, ludicrous for you to claim that it hurt him.
An-Jen T: Sandbagging your own position. Remember that all this happened before Paul pulled off his "sneak attack". If he had not gotten away with it, you would have had an even bigger lead.
An-Jen T: I think the turning point of the game was when Paul and I both sold those Yellows to you. The only way we had a chance, I think, was to agree to not sell to you. Later on, both Paul and I would have both been better off if he had bought the other Blue (which was what I had expected him to do) rather than taking over Horse.
Eric H.: My nitial. It's we're retarded. I somehow forgot that synergies only work for companies held in corporations and not for privately held companies which is why I bid for KME/BME the way I did. I was really thrown for a look by Bryan's overbid for BME.
Eric H.: My initial bids. Damned IPad
Eric H.: Paul really kicked me in the teeth by issuing a share he didn't need to and also by sticking me with Orion. I should have stayed the hell away from such an overleveraged Turkey.
Eric H.: I was desperate to prop it up sand made the deal with An-Jen to do so. Too much damn work to rescue a single share but to have ALL your working capital locked in 2 presidents shares of Red/Orange companies I KNEW was DONE. Third place no matter what.
Eric H.: Well not ALL the capital. Daniel pointed out rightly I should have divindended and sold down. I don't think a private Green would have made that big of a difference. I would still have been in 3rd place. I would have finished with more money but definitely still In 3rd place
Paul B: Not to rub it in, but that would be 4th place.
Paul B: An-Jen, I don't recall selling yellow(s) to Daniel. Skimming back over the game the only yellow that I bought was NS (which I used to start Orion Corp.).
Eric H.: yes, 4th. Sorry, I did not mean to deprive you of that honor.
DanielB: do you guys want me in the next one.... ?
Players
AN-JEN T
Player
$41
Cash
$446
Value
$0
Income
1
Order
Wheel
Corp
* 5
Shares
$81
Price
$405
Value
PAUL B
Player
$56
Cash
$316
Value
$0
Income
2
Order
Ship
Horse
Corp
* 3
* 2
Shares
$20
$100
Price
$60
$200
Value
DANIELB
Player
$65
Cash
$493
Value
$0
Income
3
Order
Star
Jupiter
Horse
Corp
* 3
* 5
1
Shares
$26
$50
$100
Price
$78
$250
$100
Value
ERIC H.
Player
$120
Cash
$140
Value
$0
Income
4
Order
Ship
Corp
1
Shares
$20
Price
$20
Value
BRYAN EASTMAN
Player
$29
Cash
$104
Value
$0
Income
5
Order
Saturn
Ship
Star
Corp
* 1
2
1
Shares
$9
$20
$26
Price
$9
$40
$26
Value
Corporations
Horse
Corporation
$33
Cash
$360
Value
$82
Income
$100
Price
FR
Company
$60
Value
($30-$84)
Range
$15
Income
+$8
MAD [45]
LHR [54]
CDG [56]
FRA [58]
FRA
Company
$58
Value
($29-$82)
Range
$15
Income
+$4
PKP [23]
KK [25]
SBB [26]
DR [29]
+$8
FR [60]
MM [75]
LE [90]
CDG
Company
$56
Value
($28-$79)
Range
$15
Income
+$4
SNCF [24]
SBB [26]
E [43]
+$8
FR [60]
VP [80]
LE [90]
MAD
Company
$45
Value
($23-$67)
Range
$15
Income
+$4
RENFE [32]
+$8
FR [60]
VP [80]
LE [90]
E
Company
$43
Value
($22-$58)
Range
$-6
Income
+$4
NS [21]
B [22]
SNCF [24]
BR [33]
HA [47]
HR [49]
LHR [54]
CDG [56]
BR
Company
$33
Value
($17-$46)
Range
$-4
Income
+$4
E [43]
LHR [54]
RENFE
Company
$32
Value
($16-$45)
Range
$-4
Income
+$4
SNCF [24]
MAD [45]
President
PAUL B
Issued Shares
4
Shares In Bank
1
Synergy Bonus
$36
Info
Price
$360-$399
$90
$0 - $359
$81
Value
Price
Wheel
Corporation
$206
Cash
$584
Value
$187
Income
$81
Price
TSI
Company
$100
Value
($50-$140)
Range
$25
Income
+$16
OPC [70]
RCC [71]
MM [75]
VP [80]
RU [85]
AL [86]
LE [90]
AL
Company
$86
Value
($43-$124)
Range
$25
Income
+$8
HA [47]
HH [48]
HR [49]
+$16
OPC [70]
RCC [71]
TSI [100]
MM
Company
$75
Value
($38-$112)
Range
$25
Income
+$8
LHR [54]
FRA [58]
+$16
LE [90]
TSI [100]
OPC
Company
$70
Value
($35-$107)
Range
$25
Income
+$16
RU [85]
AL [86]
TSI [100]
HA
Company
$47
Value
($24-$69)
Range
$15
Income
+$4
NS [21]
B [22]
SNCF [24]
E [43]
+$8
RU [85]
AL [86]
President
AN-JEN T
Issued Shares
8
Shares In Bank
3
Synergy Bonus
$72
Info
Price
$720 - ∞
$100
$648-$719
$90
$584-$647
$73
$0 - $583
$66
Value
Price
Jupiter
Corporation
$107
Cash
$360
Value
$27
Income
$50
Price
RU
Company
$85
Value
($43-$123)
Range
$25
Income
+$8
HA [47]
HH [48]
HR [49]
+$16
OPC [70]
RCC [71]
TSI [100]
HH
Company
$48
Value
($24-$70)
Range
$15
Income
+$4
DSB [20]
PKP [23]
DR [29]
BSR [40]
+$8
RU [85]
AL [86]
DR
Company
$29
Value
($15-$36)
Range
$-10
Income
+$2
WT [11]
BD [12]
BY [13]
OL [14]
HE [15]
SX [16]
MS [17]
PR [19]
+$4
DSB [20]
NS [21]
B [22]
PKP [23]
SNCF [24]
KK [25]
SBB [26]
BSR [40]
HH [48]
HR [49]
FRA [58]
SBB
Company
$26
Value
($13-$33)
Range
$-10
Income
+$2
WT [11]
BD [12]
+$4
SNCF [24]
KK [25]
DR [29]
FS [37]
CDG [56]
FRA [58]
KK
Company
$25
Value
($13-$32)
Range
$-10
Income
+$2
BY [13]
SX [16]
+$4
PKP [23]
SBB [26]
DR [29]
FS [37]
FRA [58]
PKP
Company
$23
Value
($12-$29)
Range
$-10
Income
+$2
SX [16]
MS [17]
PR [19]
+$4
KK [25]
DR [29]
SZD [31]
BSR [40]
HH [48]
FRA [58]
MS
Company
$17
Value
($9-$21)
Range
$-13
Income
+$1
BSE [2]
AKE [6]
BPM [7]
MHE [8]
+$2
OL [14]
SX [16]
PR [19]
DSB [20]
PKP [23]
DR [29]
President
DANIELB
Issued Shares
8
Shares In Bank
3
Synergy Bonus
$40
Info
Price
$440 - ∞
$60
$400-$439
$55
$360-$399
$45
$0 - $359
$41
Value
Price
Star
Corporation
$6
Cash
$37
Value
$-4
Income
$26
Price
SZD
Company
$31
Value
($16-$43)
Range
$-4
Income
+$4
PKP [23]
President
DANIELB
Issued Shares
8
Shares In Bank
4
Synergy Bonus
$0
Info
Price
$224 - ∞
$31
$208-$223
$28
$192-$207
$24
$0 - $191
$22
Value
Price
Ship
Corporation
$2
Cash
$23
Value
$-10
Income
$20
Price
NS
Company
$21
Value
($11-$27)
Range
$-10
Income
+$2
OL [14]
PR [19]
+$4
B [22]
DR [29]
E [43]
HA [47]
HR [49]
President
PAUL B
Issued Shares
6
Shares In Bank
0
Synergy Bonus
$0
Info
Price
$132 - ∞
$24
$120-$131
$22
$108-$119
$18
$0 - $107
$16
Value
Price
Saturn
Corporation
$0
Cash
$15
Value
$-13
Income
$9
Price
HE
Company
$15
Value
($8-$19)
Range
$-13
Income
+$1
BME [1]
KME [5]
+$2
BD [12]
BY [13]
PR [19]
DR [29]
President
BRYAN EASTMAN
Issued Shares
4
Shares In Bank
3
Synergy Bonus
$0
Info
Price
$40 - ∞
$11
$36-$39
$10
$32-$35
$8
$0 - $31
$7
Value
Price
Foreign Investor
Foreign Investor
Automated Player
$144
Cash
$30
Income
VP
Company
$80
Value
($118-$118)
Range
$25
Income
+$8
MAD [45]
LHR [54]
CDG [56]
+$16
LE [90]
TSI [100]
Available Companies
Pending Companies
Deck (Cost of Ownership for red, orange, yellow, green $16)
Share Prices
0
5
6
7
8
9
Saturn
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
18
20
Ship
22
24
26
Star
28
31
34
37
41
45
50
Jupiter
55
60
66
73
81
Wheel
90
100
Horse
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