Round: 12 Phase: 7 (Check Game End)
DanielB: Welcome to the 1st ever online 6-Player Version 2 game of Rolling Stock :)
beorn: my pleasure.
beorn: I hope we'll be able to be online all at the same time to play live... perhaps towards the weekend.
Talbatross: I'm probably going to be a disappointment in that aspect, I'm flying out tonight to a wedding, but I'll try to keep up.
DanielB: Talbatross, we believe in You! Keep the smart phone out of the bedroom, otherwise we know you'll have it with you :)
DanielB: so is the 1st big question is: Will Benny buy 3-4 red's again?
BennyD: heh
BennyD bids $10 for MHE
Toby: wow, conservative bid from bennyd!
DanielB: yeah, it's almost worth laying off him...
beorn bids $12 for MHE
Talbatross leaves auction
DanielB leaves auction
DanielB: Designer jumps on Pitchfork...?
DanielB: perhaps im undervaluing First Mover advantages....
Toby leaves auction
beorn: First pick is important in v2
beorn: $11 would be a reasonable bid in v1, so I believe $12 is OK-ish for MHE in v2
Toby: spoken by the master
weisswurst leaves auction
BennyD leaves auction
beorn buys MHE for $12 from the bank
beorn bids $4 for BSE
Talbatross leaves auction
DanielB leaves auction
Toby leaves auction
weisswurst leaves auction
DanielB: drumroll.... Benny the enforcer...
Toby: if you wanted it to be enforced, you should do it yourself! aint nobody gonna take a bullet for you in this game :D
DanielB: It's a great Bid
BennyD leaves auction
beorn buys BSE for $4 from the bank
BennyD: No way I'm taking BSE for $5 with no guaranteed synergies
BennyD: Just gotta keep Beorn off of BPM
Talbatross bids $9 for BPM
Talbatross: Easy enough
DanielB: damn, nice bid...Talb... though he's still a major contestant of AKE...
DanielB leaves auction
Toby bids $10 for BPM
weisswurst leaves auction
Talbatross: But whoever takes bpM should want it just as badly... I hope....
BennyD leaves auction
Talbatross leaves auction
Toby buys BPM for $10 from the bank
DanielB bids $3 for BME
Toby leaves auction
weisswurst leaves auction
BennyD leaves auction
beorn leaves auction
Talbatross leaves auction
DanielB buys BME for $3 from the bank
Toby bids $9 for AKE
weisswurst leaves auction
BennyD leaves auction
Talbatross leaves auction
DanielB leaves auction
Toby buys AKE for $9 from the bank
weisswurst bids $8 for KME
BennyD leaves auction
DanielB: sigh....
beorn leaves auction
Toby: interesting!
beorn: I'm not paying $4 premioum again... :)
Talbatross leaves auction
DanielB: nor i....
DanielB leaves auction
weisswurst buys KME for $8 from the bank
-- Round: 1 Phase: 2 (Upkeep) --
New player order: BennyD, Talbatross, DanielB, weisswurst, beorn, Toby
-- Round: 1 Phase: 3 (Corporations Buys Companies) --
-- Round: 1 Phase: 4 (Close Companies) --
BME passes
KME passes
MHE passes
BSE passes
BPM passes
AKE passes
-- Round: 1 Phase: 5 (Collect Income) --
BennyD collects $0 income
Talbatross collects $0 income
DanielB collects $1 income
weisswurst collects $2 income
beorn collects $3 income
Toby collects $4 income
Foreign Investor collects $5 income
-- Round: 1 Phase: 6 (Pay Dividends And Adjust Share Prices) --
-- Round: 1 Phase: 7 (Check Game End) --
-- Round: 1 Phase: 8 (Issue New Shares) --
-- Round: 1 Phase: 9 (Form Corporations) --
beorn forms corporation Jupiter with MHE at $10 - 2 shares issued.
beorn: Toby, I'd be more than happy to buy BPM off you for max
beorn: And BTW: I'm reasonably confident to do the change discussed (Star has 5 shares, Orion 7, and Horse 6). I hope that's easy to change in the program.
DanielB: I actually think Horse is even weaker than that... Horse 7, Ship 7 (it's pretty weak), Orion 6, Star 6, Eagle 5 - that would be my suggested changes....
Toby: hm ya, i think i agree closer to daniel's evaluation
Toby: it is trivial to change. should i change it in this game?
Toby: @beorn, i think i will form, sorry
Toby forms corporation Saturn with BPM at $11 - 2 shares issued.
AKE passes
Toby: i will buy bse from you for max though
KME passes
BSE passes
beorn: We could ho Horse 7 and leave Orion at 6. I like Orion a lot. But others don't.
beorn: Horse is really meant to be strong only in 5 or 6 player games.
beorn: Toby, would be great if you could change it for this game already.
beorn: We can go with essentially swapping Star and Horse, i.e. Star 5 shares and Horse 7 shares.
beorn: That's also the simpler change. :o)
BME passes
-- Round: 2 Phase: 1 (Auctions And Share Trading) --
DanielB: that seems like a good simple change. I think Eagle is strong than Star, in that case, but that should be fine...some are stronger than others...
DanielB: and i don't think the advantages of Star have been fully appreciated yet, certainly not by me...
beorn: star became way stronger with receivership
beorn: The current rating with 7 shares is really only valid for pre-receivership days.
Toby: ok i'll try to fix tonight
BennyD bids $13 for BD
Talbatross bids $14 for BD
DanielB leaves auction
Toby: this game has been updated to version 2.1, horse and star have swapped share counts
weisswurst leaves auction
BennyD leaves auction
Talbatross buys BD for $14 from the bank
DanielB bids $12 for BY
weisswurst leaves auction
BennyD bids $13 for BY
DanielB leaves auction
BennyD buys BY for $13 from the bank
weisswurst bids $15 for OL
DanielB leaves auction
weisswurst buys OL for $15 from the bank
DanielB: Benny how much for BY in round 3?
DanielB: Talbatross, how much for BD in round 3?
beorn passes
Toby passes
Saturn changes share price from $11 to $12
BennyD buys share of Saturn for $12
BennyD: Not sure
BennyD: Depends what happens before then
Toby: so beorn, are you selling bse?
Talbatross: right now, I'd say max.
Talbatross passes
DanielB: Talb. How about $16 and u have a fixed deal
Talbatross: not sure, what company are you picking up?
DanielB: I wanted to do asx and Benny. But Benny wouldn't commit. So if u and I strike a deal I'll do HE. Which isn't as good because I might have to form at $18, and get second choice of companies. Alternatively I can pass and buy B next turn. I kind of think an exit strategy for u at a $3 premium to par is a win for u and probably me...
DanielB: You will have made $6 on a $14 investment and be in good position to buy the cheaper yellows
Toby: talbot, you could also probably just buy HE yourself next round
DanielB bids $14 for HE
DanielB buys HE for $14 from the bank
beorn passes
Toby passes
BennyD passes
Talbatross passes
-- Round: 2 Phase: 2 (Upkeep) --
New player order: Talbatross, beorn, DanielB, Toby, weisswurst, BennyD
-- Round: 2 Phase: 3 (Corporations Buys Companies) --
Jupiter buys BSE for $3 from beorn
Jupiter offers $2 for BME
Jupiter offers $7 for KME
Saturn buys AKE for $8 from Toby
Saturn passes
DanielB declines to sell BME to Jupiter for $2
beorn: weisswurst: If you sell KME now, I'd agree to buy OL for max next turn.
weisswurst declines to sell KME to Jupiter for $7
weisswurst: Did not see your message
weisswurst: I would accept that deal
weisswurst: Can you offer again?
beorn: OK.
Jupiter offers $7 for KME
Jupiter buys KME for $7 from weisswurst
weisswurst: Thx!
Toby: beorn on you...
Jupiter passes
-- Round: 2 Phase: 4 (Close Companies) --
MHE passes
BSE passes
KME passes
BPM passes
AKE passes
BD passes
BME passes
HE passes
OL passes
BY passes
-- Round: 2 Phase: 5 (Collect Income) --
Saturn collects $7 income
Jupiter collects $9 income
Talbatross collects $3 income
beorn collects $0 income
DanielB collects $4 income
Toby collects $0 income
weisswurst collects $3 income
BennyD collects $3 income
Foreign Investor collects $5 income
-- Round: 2 Phase: 6 (Pay Dividends And Adjust Share Prices) --
Saturn pays $3 dividends - Toby receives $3 - BennyD receives $3
Jupiter pays $0 dividends
Jupiter changes share price from $10 to $13
-- Round: 2 Phase: 7 (Check Game End) --
-- Round: 2 Phase: 8 (Issue New Shares) --
Jupiter issues a share and receives $11
Jupiter changes share price from $13 to $11
Saturn passes
-- Round: 2 Phase: 9 (Form Corporations) --
DanielB: Benny - will you take $15 for BY
DanielB: Talb, will you take $16 for BD
DanielB: this round...
OL passes
beorn: Daniel, in case your IPO ambitions go nowhere, I'm still willing to buy BME for max from you.
DanielB: Benny, Talb, don't mean to belabor it...maybe Bjoern set the standard last round, but he also had the benefit of buying KME and it's $4 of income to Jupiter a round earlier...so a lot of value to Jupiter...$3 premiums to par seem reasonable given you can parlay the cash to yellows that mostly last to the end with synergies....
DanielB: Bjoern, appreciated, but at $2...it doesn't get me far...
DanielB: i'm trying to do something cool... but need a bit of commitment first...
beorn: Whoever sells to your corp below max will be blamed by me for your victory. :-P
beorn: Perfectly offloaded any responsibility. :o)
beorn: And if you don't win, even better.
Toby: deals with daniel are always one way :D
Toby: although i forsee beorn as the early leader since he's already got commitment for OL, he'll buy the 2nd share of jupiter and make a killing
Talbatross: well I'm not a hard no. Kinda need to see how this round shakes out.
DanielB: Benny?
DanielB: Is that a commitment to to $17, and a maybe at $16 Talb?
DanielB: Oh come on Toby, that' not fair!
Talbatross: Maybe on both still. I need a couple turns in this round to see what I think a plan might be for me.
DanielB: -P ? meaning :o meaning?
Toby: ok daniel, no commitments, you'll have to continue
Talbatross: Well either I'm getting a 2nd company or I'm investing in someone.
DanielB: tell you what guys, I won't hold this up... Talb, suggestion, buy a share of Star at $14, and I'll buy in BD for max and pay dividends often.... Benny, your quiet so I'll figure you may or maynot sell....just remember not to drown the the orange sluize....
DanielB: Here goes nothin'!
DanielB forms corporation Star with HE at $13 - 4 shares issued.
BD passes
Toby: don't buy star, buy wt, this way beorn can't buy 2nd share of jupiter
DanielB: Star's a rising@!
Talbatross: Well if I buy Jupiter then I'm down to sell Bd for max
BennyD: I'll sell for $15, Daniel
BY passes
BME passes
-- Round: 3 Phase: 1 (Auctions And Share Trading) --
DanielB: Exciting early game!
DanielB: Benny, done
DanielB: Talb, with Benny's deal, Star will have the same income as jupiter, almost no red liabilities, and $16 of income... and extra stars, why not become a partner?
DanielB: Talb, not a big deal... no pressure... I'm just promotin' to add spice in this digital sandbox
Toby: wt allows him to exit with wt & bd. doesn't increase your valuation because you hold 2 shares of star. and also opens up the $13 slot for jupiter
DanielB: fair enough... also, I can / could do a twofer on the purchsae of BD/WT, if he gets WT...
DanielB: not that anybody is trying to tell anyone else what to do.... (pushy set of Sharks this is...)
Talbatross: My head asplode, also have some meetings to pay attention to. Probably going to be a few for a decision.
DanielB: Bjoern, you've created a game with too few choices....!
beorn: Daniel, you nicely maxed out the cash in your Star.
beorn: a lot of purchasing power...
Toby: they key is to not sell daniel anything :D
Toby: i think this game will be very interesting... i have high hopes!
DanielB: I've never pursued this strategy to it's utmost...-i'm curious... - Sure Toby, 6 player game, let's limit deals...not!
DanielB: Talb, my 2c, is WT for cheap would be good for you, question is will that happen...?
Talbatross: I dunno, but we can certainly find out
Talbatross bids $11 for WT
beorn bids $12 for WT
DanielB: I underwrite to the buyer of WT, that Star will make a $12-$14 bid for WT in round 4, Round 3 if BD or BY deal fall through...
Toby leaves auction
weisswurst bids $13 for WT
Talbatross: The deal with the Daniel is looking more attractive now...
DanielB: Bjoern, I gotta say. The stars are genius! The WT is such shit, but its two stars provide great value, even at a premium!
Talbatross leaves auction
weisswurst buys WT for $13 from the bank
weisswurst: Is there a formula or table with the nominal star value of corporations for a given share price and number of issued shares?
Toby: (shares * price / 10).round
weisswurst: thx!
beorn passes
DanielB passes
Toby bids $17 for MS
Toby buys MS for $17 from the bank
Saturn changes share price from $12 to $10
BennyD sells share of Saturn for $10
Jupiter changes share price from $11 to $12
Talbatross buys share of Jupiter for $12
Saturn changes share price from $10 to $11
beorn buys share of Saturn for $11
DanielB passes
beorn: wow, so much share trading in T3
Toby passes
BennyD bids $16 for SX
BennyD buys SX for $16 from the bank
BennyD: Beorn, you interested in SX for $21?
DanielB: Gentlemen, we are making excellent progress!
Talbatross passes
DanielB: Order stays the same!
DanielB: almost... Toby to 5th...Loving Ww position, and Benny's...
beorn passes
DanielB passes
beorn: BennyD: I have a deal with Weisswurst to by OL. He has priority, as I want to stay faithful to my deal.
Toby passes
-- Round: 3 Phase: 2 (Upkeep) --
New player order: Talbatross, beorn, DanielB, weisswurst, Toby, BennyD
-- Round: 3 Phase: 3 (Corporations Buys Companies) --
Jupiter offers $20 for OL
Toby: i'd sell ms for max if someone offers it
Saturn passes
Jupiter offers $2 for BME
Talbatross: BD is available for sale
BennyD: Daniel, without a sale of SX, it's looking mighty tempting to merge both SX and BY into my own corporation. I don't think I can sell BY for anything less than max.
DanielB declines to sell BME to Jupiter for $2
Star offers $17 for BD
Star buys BME for $2 from DanielB
Star buys BD for $17 from Talbatross
DanielB: Benny, i gotta wait for Talb,
BennyD: What are you waiting on Talb for?
DanielB: not anymore... I was just on a 150min conf. call. . here's your offer..
Star offers $16 for BY
DanielB: I'll make the offer to Wwurst too, although to be fair, he's probably asleep...
Star offers $14 for WT
DanielB: i probably shouldn't a done that offer to Wwurst, since we talked about it for round 4... and you were going to sell me BY for $15... but when I decided to give BD a full price, I decided to stay consistent...Face2Face forever...
Star buys BY for $16 from BennyD
Star passes
Jupiter buys OL for $20 from weisswurst
weisswurst declines to sell WT to Star for $14
-- Round: 3 Phase: 4 (Close Companies) --
MHE passes
BSE passes
KME passes
OL passes
BPM passes
AKE passes
HE passes
BME passes
BD passes
BY passes
WT passes
MS passes
SX passes
-- Round: 3 Phase: 5 (Collect Income) --
Star collects $16 income
Jupiter collects $15 income
Saturn collects $7 income
Talbatross collects $0 income
beorn collects $0 income
DanielB collects $0 income
weisswurst collects $3 income
Toby collects $3 income
BennyD collects $3 income
Foreign Investor collects $5 income
-- Round: 3 Phase: 6 (Pay Dividends And Adjust Share Prices) --
weisswurst: Could not accept WT offer since Star has no money. Apparently the system lets you make offers you cannot execute :)
Star pays $1 dividends - DanielB receives $2
Star changes share price from $13 to $16
Jupiter pays $2 dividends - Talbatross receives $2 - beorn receives $2
Jupiter changes share price from $12 to $14
Saturn pays $0 dividends
Saturn changes share price from $11 to $12
-- Round: 3 Phase: 7 (Check Game End) --
-- Round: 3 Phase: 8 (Issue New Shares) --
Star passes
Jupiter passes
Saturn issues a share and receives $11
Saturn changes share price from $12 to $11
-- Round: 3 Phase: 9 (Form Corporations) --
MS passes
SX passes
WT passes
-- Round: 4 Phase: 1 (Auctions And Share Trading) --
DanielB: Ww, can we settle on a price for WT?
DanielB: I'd do $12 now $26 for KK in Round 5 if that's interesting to you (all my cash)...
Talbatross: Hrmm.. looks like we're trending towards red cost of ownership this round
beorn: Talbatross: THat's actually for you to decide.
beorn: If you invest your money into shares, it will not happen.
Talbatross: I mean, if you really wanted it to happen, you could, at a hefty price.
beorn: True.
beorn: If you like to make Jupiter great again, I'd totally hold onto it, even with you as the president.
Talbatross: yeah, I figured, it feels like a big dividend waiting to happen
Jupiter changes share price from $14 to $18
Talbatross buys share of Jupiter for $18
Talbatross becomes president of Jupiter
DanielB: What a Slow Down!
Talbatross: maybe, I may have just killed myself
Toby: interesting...
DanielB: Talb... share your thinking if you want, i'm curious...
Talbatross: I'm thinking I want reds to stick around a little longer, meaning everybody will cash in a bit more, and we can get through yellows a bit faster.
Toby: let's see how it plays out!
beorn passes
DanielB passes
beorn: It's not the aim of the game to go fast. The aim is to win.
beorn: Talbatross I think you did exactly the right thing
DanielB: well, indeed...Talb can milk the Jup....
DanielB: I think Star's better, but then again, with one existing share of Jup, the control does matter...
beorn: You are now nominally in the lead. And it's a solid foundation with the Jupiter being able to double jump again
DanielB: So I concur... darn interesting...
beorn: You are harvesting what I sowed
DanielB: Oh, the cash is more than I thought... he can dividend $6 or double jump, or a combo... Talb, you definitely did not kill yourself...
beorn: Which Timezone is Weißwurst?
Toby: i think he lives in austria
weisswurst: Hi, had a dinner, did not have time tonight
weisswurst: Living in Austria indeed
weisswurst: Daniel, 12 for wt now, 26 for kk next round is ok.
weisswurst bids $21 for KK
weisswurst buys KK for $21 from the bank
Toby passes
BennyD bids $19 for PR
BennyD buys PR for $19 from the bank
DanielB: Long live the reds (boo)...
beorn: Amazing how people sell things to Daniel for way too cheap. ;-)
weisswurst: Everybody is free to offer more.
DanielB: Not when the -$4 hits Bjoern. Which you and talbatross are totally delaying!
Toby: that's why i always fight against it. daniel always gets the discounts
beorn: weisswurst: you paid 13 for WT, then earned 3, and now sell it for 12, that's $2 gain in two turns. for a $13 investment...
beorn: If wt was close to some cost of ownership, but it's far from it...
Talbatross passes
DanielB: Capital can be redeployed in better tech...albeit. $13 was not a great price...
DanielB: Ww. I can go to $14 leaving you $22 and u can buy a share even of star, then I'd only have $24 for KK, however I can promise a $7 dividend!
beorn passes
DanielB passes
beorn: The "better tech" is way less good in v2 than in v1...
DanielB: Fair enough. I have generated some views on that too
beorn: Doing favors for the Star is of course a more viable strategy if you are a shareholder yourself.
beorn: However, is that a winning strategy or one for the 2nd place?
Talbatross: Poor Foreign Investor, Kind of wish he got PR
beorn: She will be happy with some yellow...
Talbatross: eventually
Toby passes
-- Round: 4 Phase: 2 (Upkeep) --
New player order: DanielB, beorn, Talbatross, weisswurst, Toby, BennyD
-- Round: 4 Phase: 3 (Corporations Buys Companies) --
Saturn buys MS for $22 from Toby
Saturn passes
DanielB: Ww. I'm going to offer he $14 so you can buy a star. If you choose not to, I hope you'll still honor the $38 total price...
Star offers $14 for WT
Toby: selling wt to star right now will most likely solidify daniel's win. please don't feed the beast
DanielB: who'd a thought one could create such sharky turmoil by simply buying the BME for $3 and the HE and tossing all remaining cash down to my last Taler into a lowly disadvantaged company....
Toby: great strategy daniel, it really showcases the possibilities of this game.
beorn: WT for max is certainly another story. However, it's still a great deal for Daniel's Star.
beorn: Weisswurst, I would simply not accept any obligation for that deal. You don't owe Daniel anything for it, more the other way round.
Talbatross: I'm tempted to offer 11 for WT just to provide another offer, but that's a silly offer.
Jupiter passes
DanielB: Thanks Toby. Remember I said I thought it'd be cool. Hasn't paid off yet. And things, when they go south in 2.0. They go south fast!
DanielB: Thanks guys. We are probably done until midnight tonight...(pst)...
beorn: Done? As in "Star hit's $75 share price until midnight"?
Toby: :D
weisswurst: Yeah, thinking about it, I better keep WT a bit longer.
weisswurst declines to sell WT to Star for $14
DanielB: Really? A full price bid Ww? It's already round 4. If u sell me wt and buy star I'm promising a $7 dividend and I think the stock will still rise. It puts you in a very good position
Star offers $14 for WT
weisswurst: Will
weisswurst: Well, it is not sure I can buy a share
weisswurst: I will have $22. Jupiter and star will rise to $20 and $22
DanielB: True. It's not sure. But it is reallly really likely. Only if Jupiter goes to $22 and none of the three shares are sold. Seems unlikely...
DanielB: No stress. I have an alternative plan. And no commitment to sell Kk. I'm happy with wt at $14. And it's value to Star drops about 5- $7 each round
Toby: don't do it ww!
DanielB: Toby. It's really better for you if he does :D
weisswurst: If Jupiter goes to 20, star will go to 22. Will star issue a share so I can buy one? I do not see anybody selling shares
Toby: it's better for you...
Toby: don't shoot for second place, we need to gang up on daniel to take him down
Toby: if anyone else was in daniel's position, he'd be saying the same thing, how can we take him down
DanielB: Hmmm. I wanted to wait on issuence. Due to heavy dividends coming...it's not the worst idea. But I continue to believe that someone will blink. Either Bjoern will sell Jupiter. Or Talb will. Or it will do a big dividend and end up at $18. So I'm not willing to issue a share now. But I still believe you'll have a chance or just buy a cheap yellow. What's the problem with that?
Toby: the problem is it rockets you up and makes you harder to catch
DanielB: Seriously Ww, just decline. It's probably better for me to do something else....
Toby: daniel you can pass now so that when ww declines, it will go to next round
DanielB: Unless you think of course that $14 of liquidity might come in handy
DanielB: Sure. Or maybe he'll accept. It's al good !
Star passes
weisswurst declines to sell WT to Star for $14
-- Round: 4 Phase: 4 (Close Companies) --
HE passes
BME passes
BD passes
BY passes
MHE passes
BSE passes
KME passes
OL passes
BPM passes
AKE passes
MS passes
WT passes
KK passes
SX passes
PR passes
-- Round: 4 Phase: 5 (Collect Income) --
Jupiter collects $15 income
Star collects $16 income
Saturn collects $13 income
DanielB collects $0 income
beorn collects $0 income
Talbatross collects $0 income
weisswurst collects $8 income
Toby collects $0 income
BennyD collects $6 income
Foreign Investor collects $5 income
-- Round: 4 Phase: 6 (Pay Dividends And Adjust Share Prices) --
Jupiter pays $6 dividends - beorn receives $6 - Talbatross receives $12
Star pays $5 dividends - DanielB receives $10
Star changes share price from $16 to $20
Saturn pays $0 dividends
Saturn changes share price from $11 to $13
-- Round: 4 Phase: 7 (Check Game End) --
-- Round: 4 Phase: 8 (Issue New Shares) --
Star passes
Jupiter passes
Saturn issues a share and receives $12
Saturn changes share price from $13 to $12
-- Round: 4 Phase: 9 (Form Corporations) --
KK passes
BennyD forms corporation Eagle with PR at $11 - 4 shares issued.
SX passes
WT passes
-- Round: 5 Phase: 1 (Auctions And Share Trading) --
DanielB passes
Jupiter changes share price from $18 to $16
beorn sells share of Jupiter for $16
DanielB: Ww, we sure could have helped one another if you'd have listened to Toby less... I'm bummed...I thought it extraordinarily unlikely that neither of the following events would occur...no-one sells Jupiter AND/ Jupiter doesn't dividend full.... if you have future thoughts i'll definitely consider.
Toby: the question is not how to get second place, it's how we can catch up to daniel
Toby: we all need to band together to figure out how to take him down
DanielB: My Honor!
DanielB: Toby, less you forget, when the ship is sinking, it's usually.....
DanielB: lest
DanielB: DSB olympics here we come...
Jupiter changes share price from $16 to $14
Talbatross sells share of Jupiter for $14
Toby: ok guys, let's not overbid here, we can work out some deals?
Toby: will someone sell me dsb if i don't buy for max?
Toby: should we combine our companies together? jupiter and saturn?
Toby: i will wait 30 minutes for a response
Toby: ok here's my plan, you don't have to follow through, but let's not overbid on the yellows
Toby: talbot can take over saturn and absorb jupiter. i'll sell him dsb
Toby: beorn you can then buy ns and talbot can buy it next round
Toby bids $20 for DSB
beorn: certainly not overbidding now.
beorn leaves auction
Talbatross leaves auction
Toby buys DSB for $20 from the bank
BennyD passes
beorn: Toby, if I did take over Saturn, would you sell me your DSB for max?
beorn: (We underdogs have to gang up...)
Toby: yes, but do you think this is the best option
Toby: is it better to push yellow tech or to try to make saturn massive?
beorn: The Saturn would have $18 income then.
beorn: 4.5 per share
Toby: i originally want talbot to take it over so he's more incentivized to dump jupiter companies
beorn: That's pretty good
beorn: I see
beorn: but then I'm kind of stuck.
beorn: because Saturn will not have enough for NS next turn.
beorn: no more shares to issue.
Talbatross: Original..
Talbatross: Original..
Talbatross: Original thought was buying 2 yellows for me
beorn: And Toby, if you want 26 for DSB, Saturn has only 3 left for sucking up Jupiter companies.
Toby: true, it will be slow
Toby: maybe it makes more sense just me and you beorn
Toby: i'm fine with whatever
beorn: OK, so deal is whoever has Saturn in the acquisition phase, you'll sell her the DSB for max
Toby: yes
Talbatross: I'm fine with selling bse me thinks
Talbatross: That's a star and extra synergies for saturn
Toby: yup
beorn: yes, would even pay the 3 I have left for it.
Talbatross: It's dead weight for Jupiter at this point
Talbatross: Perfect
Talbatross: I guess I would want NS then
DanielB: I guess I'll tag along...
Saturn changes share price from $12 to $13
DanielB buys share of Saturn for $13
beorn: Too much advertisement for Saturn... :)
Saturn changes share price from $13 to $16
beorn buys share of Saturn for $16
beorn becomes president of Saturn
beorn: The come-back of the Saturn...
DanielB: darn.. i thought I might get it:)
beorn: And now our values are nicely in balance, except evil Daniel.
Toby: evil megacorp daniel :D
DanielB: it definitely ain't no megacorp
DanielB: You made sure of that Toby.... like a knat hetzing the great White Sausage... upon reflection, remind me that you've engendered my wrath, as I'm likely to forget rather soon....
Toby: hey gotta make the game competitive!
Toby: you would have done the same (and did in our last game) to me!
Talbatross bids $22 for NS
Talbatross buys NS for $22 from the bank
Toby passes
BennyD passes
DanielB passes
beorn passes
DanielB: Rock and Roll!
Talbatross passes
-- Round: 5 Phase: 2 (Upkeep) --
New player order: weisswurst, beorn, Talbatross, Toby, BennyD, DanielB
Foreign Investor buys SBB for $23 from the bank
-- Round: 5 Phase: 3 (Corporations Buys Companies) --
Talbatross: more than willing to give up bse for 3
Toby: i think that's already a done deal
Eagle buys SX for $21 from BennyD
Eagle offers $3 for BSE
Toby: ah i guess you have the choice of who to sell it to, eagle or saturn
Eagle offers $4 for BPM
Eagle offers $4 for MHE
Eagle passes
Star offers $10 for WT
weisswurst declines to sell WT to Star for $10
weisswurst: 11
Toby: you don't want to form yourself ww? perhaps get sbb and wt into the same company?
Saturn declines to sell BPM to Eagle for $4
Saturn offers $26 for DSB
Saturn offers $3 for BSE
Saturn buys DSB for $26 from Toby
beorn: Talbatross: Please see my offer for BSE as discussed.
weisswurst: @toby, yes that is an option, but selling wt now gives me a bit more momentum
Star offers $11 for WT
Star buys WT for $11 from weisswurst
Saturn buys BSE for $3 from Jupiter
Talbatross: discussing remembered, sorry eagle
Talbatross: MHE is still not a fire sale for jupiter yet, it's providing some income and a cheap star
Jupiter declines to sell MHE to Eagle for $4
Jupiter passes
-- Round: 5 Phase: 4 (Close Companies) --
HE passes
BME passes
BD passes
BY passes
WT passes
MHE passes
KME passes
OL passes
BPM passes
AKE passes
MS passes
DSB passes
BSE passes
PR passes
SX passes
KK passes
NS passes
-- Round: 5 Phase: 5 (Collect Income) --
Star collects $21 income
Saturn collects $19 income
Jupiter collects $9 income
Eagle collects $8 income
weisswurst collects $5 income
beorn collects $0 income
Talbatross collects $5 income
Toby collects $0 income
BennyD collects $0 income
DanielB collects $0 income
Foreign Investor collects $10 income
-- Round: 5 Phase: 6 (Pay Dividends And Adjust Share Prices) --
Toby: i don't think we can catch daniel, he'll buy SBB from FI and now has the wt and bd synergy... need to do something drastic fellas
Toby: someone needs to open up orion and steal sbb
Toby: WW it makes sense for you
weisswurst: well, maybe i will start orion, maybe not. It is interesting to note that there is a lot of talking about Daniel being in the lead, but two rounds ago when BD and BY were sold to Star, there was basically no comment at all, and I believe that that was the moment were Daniel was given the lead. Lessons learned, guys.
BennyD: I thought I was going to be able to get one of those shares of Star the turn after. But Talb took it right before me, putting it $1 out of reach. That's why I sold.
weisswurst: I guess the deals made sense for you and Talb. But Toby and beorn were almost silent when those deals were happening, and then one round later started the "stop Daniel" talk.
weisswurst: Anyway, nothing is lost yet. The game just follows the same pattern that I see in almost every game. One player manages to get an advantage early, and the rest of the game the other players struggle to get him down
Toby: heh true, should have been more vocal, that's the game
Star pays $5 dividends - DanielB receives $10
Star changes share price from $20 to $24
beorn: I have to think about my dividend.
beorn: In the meantime, I insist that I only started to shout when Daniel offered to buy certain perfectly healthy companies for below max.
beorn: Since it didn't happen so far, Daniel's good position is well deserved.
beorn: We need to make Star rot quickly to have a chance.
Talbatross: well I sold for max, felt correct, though maybe not in the context of the whole ecosystem.
DanielB: to be fair, I DID pay max for BD and BY, and a round later for WT (which somehow got shouted down), and then par as the new one's loom... so there weren't any steals. I got a lead because I DIDN"T overbid on early companies guys...
beorn: I cannot complain about the transactions that actually happened.
beorn: Daniel demonstrated how good Star actually can be.
Saturn pays $4 dividends - beorn receives $8 - Toby receives $4 - DanielB receives $4
Saturn changes share price from $16 to $20
beorn: Moneyyyysss!
beorn: Sorry, I only see WT for 11 now.
beorn: whooops
beorn: I would have understood the WT for max last turn. but why now for 11?
DanielB: this is the 1st turn where I have utilized Star's advantage Bjoern. And I only used 1 star of the two-this turn.... hardly much of an advantage, yet.... however, if i hadn't purchased WT this round, I would have utilized both of Star's stars.... in other words, any Corp could have done what i did, accept now, i'd be at $22... but with that other Corp's advantages...
beorn: anyway...
beorn: Yeah, the wt for 11 was something I would not have done.
beorn: but no grudge.
beorn: everybody has to learn their own lessons in this game.
DanielB: U was fine without WT, I would have been at $22, and paid myself $2 more of dividends Bjoern...
DanielB: Jupiter drum roll...
beorn: Talbatross: I'd say get some money out of Jupiter and sell it into receivership.
beorn: Then we can all buy a new company and make Star rot mightily
beorn: $3 dividend might be the best net result for selling.
beorn: Anyway, I'm on the road now, won't be able to chat properly
DanielB: Talb, that seems like excellent advise. not in my interest, but excellent nonetheless
weisswurst: beorn, your comments sound somewhat inconsistent to me. Last round you said selling WT to Star would be a great deal to Star, and now you say you would have understood it..I think selling it now makes much more sense, since now I can actually do something with the money. And more than 11 was not possible anyway.
Talbatross: BennyD you going to get B?
Talbatross: Don't think any of us will stop you if youw ant it
Jupiter pays $4 dividends - Talbatross receives $4
Talbatross: My thought is 5 of us can purchase yellow this round if we try.
Talbatross: or green
Eagle pays $3 dividends - BennyD receives $6
-- Round: 5 Phase: 7 (Check Game End) --
-- Round: 5 Phase: 8 (Issue New Shares) --
beorn: Weisswurst: I never said you shouldn't sell for max. I just said you should not accept any liability for doing so. (More the other way round: Ask for something from Daniel for selling. Not that I had anything concrete in mind, just saying.)
beorn: The irony is that the sale now might indeed allow us to pull orange CoO, which will hit Star most.
DanielB: this situation is why i should have refrained from buying WT...if Ww couldn't buy a company, i'm golden...
DanielB: So your analysis was wrong Bjoern... that was my first significant mistake...Ww, weakened me enormously, getting liquid NOW. Well done White Sausage!
beorn: Daniel: Yeah, but perhaps you are still best of now... we are just trying to catch up. I must admit I'm still puzzled how you got there. In a face-to-face game, I would probably suspect a calculation mistake was made. But the computer is always right, of course.
Star passes
DanielB: I paid $10 for my first Star share (HE at $14 paid me $3 and bought me 1 1/13 Star shares. You paid $12 for MHE and paid $2 to float, but received a dividend of $2, so your $12 got you 1 Jupiter share. Wherease my $10 of initial cash got me a Star share. Then the second star share cost me $13, and has so far paid $12 of dividends... so I had a substantially higher ROI
DanielB: ROIC
beorn: I didn't get the companies I was hoping for. All of a sudden, everybody else was paying a lot for reds, too.
beorn: Except you, of course. :)
beorn: I should probably have colluded with Toby in a better way to found a shared super-red
DanielB: Toby killed you and Toby! With his floating... you two arestaging okay comebacks with proper collusion... but then I tagged along on Saturn getting a piece of the spoils... Ww, should have taken my offer to get s Star share, then he'd be between the pack and me... not sure how Talb flailed...I think he overpaid a bit is all....
DanielB: ditto for Benny, and he was stuck buying PR...though his $30 cash and liquidity with Eagle is helpful...
BennyD: As mentioned earlier, Talb sniped the Star share I was counting on. Would be a clear second if I had gotten that instead of PR.
beorn: Funny how we have four corps, and none of their share prices is adjacent.
beorn: It's usually all clumped together.
Toby: this is definitely an interesting game
Jupiter passes
Talbatross: the exit part of the strategy was where I might have killed myself
DanielB: Superior Management t
DanielB: Benny. No one ever bough Star. You mean Saturn
Talbatross: sounds more correct
Talbatross: we cowered at the prospect of the star
BennyD: Whoops, I misremembered. Talb bought Jupiter for $18, leapfrogging Star and raising the price of Star to $20.
BennyD: Either way, it prevented me from purchasing Star that turn
Eagle issues a share and receives $11
-- Round: 5 Phase: 9 (Form Corporations) --
NS passes
DanielB: Sure. I remember that. I thought $18 was a lot for Jupiter. Though it's kind of worked out...
Talbatross: I think my move was correct but my follow-through could have gone differently.
BennyD: Oh, I agree. Not saying it was a bad move, just that it's what precipitated my position.
Talbatross: indeed. now I will sink back under the pack for now.
DanielB: In round 5.1. Saturn was at $12, Jupiter at $18. In 5.9. Saturn at $20, Jupiter at $14!
weisswurst forms corporation Orion with KK at $22 - 2 shares issued.
-- Round: 6 Phase: 1 (Auctions And Share Trading) --
weisswurst bids $25 for PKP
Toby leaves auction
BennyD leaves auction
weisswurst buys PKP for $25 from the bank
Saturn changes share price from $20 to $18
beorn sells share of Saturn for $18
beorn: weisswurst: perfect choice of starting value. :)
DanielB: Of course. Perfectly awful. My entire position fell apart because I bought wt. amazing
Toby: so beautiful. the game of inches
Toby: Beorn I assume you will take bsr?
Jupiter changes share price from $14 to $13
Talbatross sells share of Jupiter for $13
Jupiter goes into receivership
beorn: Toby: that's my plan, broadly
Toby bids $34 for BR
DanielB: It would have been so nice if I would have had $38
beorn leaves auction
Toby buys BR for $34 from the bank
Eagle changes share price from $11 to $10
BennyD sells share of Eagle for $10
Saturn changes share price from $18 to $16
DanielB sells share of Saturn for $16
weisswurst passes
beorn bids $36 for BSR
BennyD bids $37 for BSR
BennyD buys BSR for $37 from the bank
Talbatross bids $24 for B
Toby: undid your bid daniel
DanielB leaves auction
beorn leaves auction
Talbatross buys B for $24 from the bank
Toby passes
BennyD passes
DanielB bids $30 for DR
beorn bids $32 for DR
beorn buys DR for $32 from the bank
weisswurst passes
beorn passes
Toby passes
BennyD passes
DanielB: Weiswurst, I haven't done much good for you in a while. Are you open to a pact with the devil that sure might help? Given my last action can you articulate a corporate strategy in the near-term for Orion?
Orion changes share price from $22 to $27
DanielB buys share of Orion for $27
weisswurst passes
DanielB: For instance. You could buy SBB and then dividend $7 per share and rise to $30, or dividend $2 per share and rise to $33. The liquidity sounds good. What's your thoughts? I'd be willing to buy da and sell it to Orion for max in which case you'd need to do a $1 dividend and issue. Let me know your thoughts
DanielB: To buy FS $8 synergies)
beorn passes
Toby passes
Toby: lol... deal with the devil indeed
Talbatross: I think calling it a deal with the devil is a little bit harsh on the devil don't you think?
DanielB: It's a slight overstatement on my part. Thanks Talb!
BennyD passes
Star changes share price from $24 to $22
DanielB sells share of Star for $22
weisswurst passes
beorn passes
Toby passes
BennyD passes
DanielB bids $26 for SNCF
DanielB buys SNCF for $26 from the bank
weisswurst passes
beorn passes
Toby passes
DanielB: Weiswurst, any communication from you? I'm hoping to hear from you on your Orion thoughts?
DanielB: total corporation profits - 5 corps, $18 ! LOL
BennyD passes
DanielB passes
-- Round: 6 Phase: 2 (Upkeep) --
New player order: Talbatross, beorn, BennyD, weisswurst, Toby, DanielB
-- Round: 6 Phase: 3 (Corporations Buys Companies) --
Star passes
BennyD: Weisswurst, does Orion want SX for $15?
BennyD: Bumps your star value and gives you a small bump in income
Eagle passes
DanielB: Well, I'm thinking the extra $9 in income for SBB at $23 is a lot better for Orion don't you think Benny?
weisswurst: Yeah, Orion will buy SBB, that is why I chose Orion after all. After that, I do not know yet. I will probably rather capizalize on my own PKP.
Orion buys SBB for $23 from Foreign Investor
BennyD: I must have missed something. Who had SBB?
BennyD: Ah, FI cash doesn't autoupdate
Saturn passes
-- Round: 6 Phase: 4 (Close Companies) --
HE passes
BME passes
BD passes
BY passes
WT passes
PR passes
SX passes
KK passes
SBB passes
NS passes
B passes
BSR passes
PKP passes
BR passes
SNCF passes
Jupiter closes KME
Jupiter closes MHE
BPM passes
AKE passes
MS passes
DSB passes
BSE passes
DR passes
-- Round: 6 Phase: 5 (Collect Income) --
Orion collects $14 income
Star collects $3 income
Saturn collects $9 income
Jupiter collects $0 income
Eagle collects $0 income
Talbatross collects $10 income
beorn collects $5 income
BennyD collects $7 income
weisswurst collects $5 income
Toby collects $7 income
DanielB collects $5 income
Foreign Investor collects $5 income
-- Round: 6 Phase: 6 (Pay Dividends And Adjust Share Prices) --
DanielB: Makes sense to me...
DanielB: $2 dividends seem optimal as Star is going to $27...
DanielB: I'm cool with a $7 dividend as well :)
weisswurst: To me, $0 is optimal. I won't let money leak away.
Orion pays $0 dividends
Orion changes share price from $27 to $33
DanielB: sehr entauschend! Ich habe dich vom hinten bis 2te geschubst... ergh$!
Star pays $0 dividends
Star changes share price from $22 to $27
DanielB: tight!
DanielB: getting liquid is difficult in a six-person game gentlemen... I shouda gone to cash last round :) (I almost did, I was on the verge....)
Saturn pays $3 dividends - beorn receives $3 - Toby receives $3
Saturn changes share price from $16 to $20
Jupiter pays $0 dividends
Jupiter changes share price from $13 to $11
Jupiter passes
Eagle pays $2 dividends - BennyD receives $2
Eagle changes share price from $10 to $9
-- Round: 6 Phase: 7 (Check Game End) --
-- Round: 6 Phase: 8 (Issue New Shares) --
DanielB: Wow Bjoern, what an interesting decision you have! Master Design!
Orion issues a share and receives $30
Orion changes share price from $33 to $30
Star issues a share and receives $24
Star changes share price from $27 to $24
Jupiter issues a share and receives $10
Jupiter changes share price from $11 to $10
Eagle passes
-- Round: 6 Phase: 9 (Form Corporations) --
BennyD forms corporation Ship with BSR at $22 - 4 shares issued.
BR passes
beorn forms corporation Bear with DR at $16 - 4 shares issued.
SNCF passes
PKP passes
Toby: ok, the rolling stock gods have rolled back the game.
beorn: OK, thanks, gods. I would have played without the rollback, too.
beorn: But let's not rollback the rollback. :)
Talbatross forms corporation Horse with B at $27 - 2 shares issued.
NS passes
-- Round: 7 Phase: 1 (Auctions And Share Trading) --
Talbatross passes
beorn passes
DanielB: Damn it Talbs. Was that for you or against me?
DanielB: Goddamn illiquid small caps!
Eagle changes share price from $9 to $8
BennyD sells share of Eagle for $8
Eagle goes into receivership
weisswurst passes
Saturn changes share price from $20 to $18
Toby sells share of Saturn for $18
DanielB passes
BennyD: Hey y'all, I have to chaperone a 7th grade camping trip for the next two days
BennyD: Limited internet access until Friday 5pm, PST
Talbatross passes
Toby: have a good trip benny!
DanielB: Benny, you going to buy a Green, it's the only reason I can see you for floating.. (and a pretty cool one at that...)
DanielB: damn... i shoulda floated, then I could have hindered Benny from selling to buy a Green! What a game Gentlemen! I sure don't feel very far ahead, even though my score says otherwise...
Talbatross: always good to stay hungry even when you're at the top
DanielB: are ANY viable companies gong to be built?
Talbatross: if things last long enough I think I can do it.
DanielB: Bjoern... SNCF is available if you want to do something with the Bear... So are cheap oranges...
beorn passes
DanielB: if there's any offers for SNCF, please let me know... (Orion, Horse, Ship, Bear)
Talbatross: I think my plans are set for now. We'll see in a round.
weisswurst: Orion prefers PKP over SNCF now. Maybe next round
beorn: Bear will only have $9 left, which is below min price for SNCF
beorn: Which reminds me: Toby, warm recommendation to buy Bear. It will cannibalize Saturn (which is kind of obvious, but I hereby promise).
Toby: yeap, that’s the plan :D
Ship changes share price from $22 to $20
BennyD sells share of Ship for $20
weisswurst passes
BennyD: I'm back
BennyD: Thanks for your patience
Bear changes share price from $16 to $22
Toby buys share of Bear for $22
Toby: thought about buying ship, but feel like bear makes a more interesting game
DanielB: My 2c, ship is a lot better...., and damn it Toby, you took away my -AGAIN
DanielB: Benny just jumped way ahead of ya'all!
DanielB: Brilliantly executed Sir!
DanielB passes
Toby: yea, i think ship is better as well
Talbatross passes
beorn passes
BennyD bids $31 for SJ
BennyD buys SJ for $31 from the bank
weisswurst passes
Toby passes
DanielB passes
Talbatross passes
beorn passes
BennyD passes
-- Round: 7 Phase: 2 (Upkeep) --
New player order: Talbatross, beorn, Toby, weisswurst, DanielB, BennyD
Foreign Investor buys SZD for $30 from the bank
-- Round: 7 Phase: 3 (Corporations Buys Companies) --
Bear buys DSB for $10 from Saturn
Bear buys MS for $9 from Saturn
Bear buys BPM for $4 from Saturn
Bear buys AKE for $3 from Saturn
Bear passes
Orion buys PKP for $33 from weisswurst
Orion passes
Ship buys SJ for $41 from BennyD
Ship passes
Horse buys NS for $29 from Talbatross
Horse passes
Star buys SNCF for $28 from DanielB
-- Round: 7 Phase: 4 (Close Companies) --
KK passes
SBB passes
PKP passes
HE passes
BME passes
BD passes
BY passes
WT passes
SNCF passes
BSR passes
SJ passes
B passes
NS passes
BR passes
DR passes
DSB passes
MS passes
BPM passes
AKE passes
-- Round: 7 Phase: 5 (Collect Income) --
Orion collects $23 income
Horse collects $14 income
Star collects $10 income
Bear collects $26 income
Ship collects $22 income
Saturn collects $-2 income
Jupiter collects $0 income
Eagle collects $0 income
Talbatross collects $0 income
beorn collects $0 income
Toby collects $7 income
weisswurst collects $0 income
DanielB collects $0 income
BennyD collects $0 income
Foreign Investor collects $12 income
-- Round: 7 Phase: 6 (Pay Dividends And Adjust Share Prices) --
Orion pays $4 dividends - weisswurst receives $4 - DanielB receives $4
Orion changes share price from $30 to $37
DanielB: NICE dIVI!
weisswurst: Enjoy the money!
Horse pays $2 dividends - Talbatross receives $2
Horse changes share price from $27 to $33
Star pays $2 dividends - DanielB receives $2
Star changes share price from $24 to $30
Bear pays $6 dividends - beorn receives $12 - Toby receives $6
Bear changes share price from $22 to $27
Ship pays $0 dividends
Ship changes share price from $20 to $24
Ship passes
Saturn pays $6 dividends - beorn receives $6
Saturn changes share price from $18 to $14
Jupiter pays $0 dividends
Jupiter changes share price from $10 to $9
Jupiter passes
Eagle pays $0 dividends
Eagle passes
-- Round: 7 Phase: 7 (Check Game End) --
-- Round: 7 Phase: 8 (Issue New Shares) --
Orion passes
Toby: anybody want to buy BR in the future? talbot, it would match well with E
DanielB: Toby, first you Kill, yourself and Bjoern, by forming with BPM.... Then you have all kinds of conspiratory dealings, then you buy his BEAR and shoot him to the stratosphere....Toby-Keep your friends close and enemies closer'- I'll try to remember...
Toby: :D :D
DanielB: Yo Talb, decision time....what could go wrong!
Horse passes
Talbatross: Nothing
Talbatross: Could be down for Br but I'm stuck in the middle of fun
Bear issues a share and receives $22
Bear changes share price from $27 to $22
Toby: beautiful, beorn has just enough to buy a share of Bear at $27
DanielB: Seems to me I should have made Bjoern pay $33 for DR. Especially considering all the "cooperation" he is getting...
Ship passes
Eagle issues a share and receives $8
-- Round: 7 Phase: 9 (Form Corporations) --
BR passes
-- Round: 8 Phase: 1 (Auctions And Share Trading) --
Talbatross bids $43 for E
Talbatross buys E for $43 from the bank
Talbatross: standard operating Quo for me.
Talbatross: I'm assuming Beorn buys Bear back, Toby Passes, WW gets FS and Daniel gets Renfe ? At least that's the standard boring plays in my head.
Saturn changes share price from $14 to $13
beorn sells share of Saturn for $13
Saturn goes into receivership
Talbatross: there goes my expert prediction making :D
beorn: I first have to check how many go into panic mode and try to speed up the game, so that I can react accourdingly.
beorn: Daniel has the tendency to blindly do so, but in this situation I think it would hurt him most. Let's see...
Toby passes
Toby: daniel could sell star and try to steal orion if ww doesn't buy another share
Ship changes share price from $24 to $27
weisswurst buys share of Ship for $27
Star changes share price from $30 to $24
DanielB sells share of Star for $24
Star goes into receivership
Ship changes share price from $27 to $30
BennyD buys share of Ship for $30
beorn: Toby: As things go, I would now like to buy Bear, pushing it up to $27. It will still double-rise, as it looks. So this will all help you with your Bear share. But I need your commitment to not sell Bear this turn.
BennyD: Is Bear interested in selling any of its orange or yellow assets to Ship this turn?
Toby: what is bears plan?
beorn: I don't want to disclose Bear's plans right now because others could try to sabotage it. But I'm fairly confident it will double-jump again, even from the $27 price.
beorn: BennyD: Currently, Bear is quite happy with what it has.
Talbatross passes
Toby: Afr my projection, it helps you a lot, and helps me a little,but my options are not great right now
Toby: I don’t think I will sell as my options are not great
beorn: Toby: Is that a promise to net sell Bear this turn?
beorn: Oh, cross talking...
beorn: OK, let's take it as a promise.
Bear changes share price from $22 to $27
beorn buys share of Bear for $27
Toby passes
weisswurst passes
beorn: Toby: You are now at 80% of the value of Daniel. That was so much worse before...
Toby: I’m pretty sure I see what you see. But I don’t see a way out for me.
Toby: Actually I think that’s may work out.
DanielB: Drumroll.......
DanielB bids $50 for MAD
DanielB buys MAD for $50 from the bank
BennyD passes
Talbatross passes
Toby: ok,
Toby: refresh
DanielB: Of course he does. Beautiful!
Toby: beorn can't pass on the opportunity to make the synergy monster :D
Eagle changes share price from $8 to $10
beorn buys share of Eagle for $10
beorn becomes president of Eagle
DanielB: I was incredibly wrong about Benny. He was hurt Massively selling an u der valued ship to buy SJ. Bjoern will catch me this round. From there. I don't know...!
Toby: yes, bear is going to $41
Toby passes
DanielB: Perhaps I should have. Ought bear for $24
DanielB: You guys withgreens have thrust Bjoern in front of you!
Toby: the only thing i could have done was to sell bear low and buy another green, which would simply hurt me and beorn, keeping bear brings me up higher and beorn
Toby: i don't have much choice right now
DanielB: Your first purchase of bear instead of ship was the killer Toby. I agree it wasn't worth selling Bear once you had it.
Toby: if i choose ship, you maintain your lead, if i choose bear, beorn shoots ahead, that's how the game is
DanielB: My only complaint is with Benny, I think. Well Talbot could have formed at $16 which would have been better for him and I. Then, Benny with two greens, shoulda bought another so he and I could kill the yellows. He should have issued a share and sucked another green in for full price and thereby killing yellow this turn. Then he would be in front of the pack and have about $51 or $52 cash and all companies would be marginally profitable except ship and its $29 of revenue
Toby: you could have sold orion and bought two greens
Toby: anyways, it will be fun to have a new king in town :P we'll see what happens in the end game
DanielB: I could have bought a green and a blue. But that wouldn't change phase
Toby: someone else could have been more motivated to buy green in that case
Toby: thus killing the yellows
DanielB: I think I should have bought bear at $24. Sold star at $22. Leaving me $38 and then bought FS or Renfe. I'd have had an extra good share and a green instead of a blue
DanielB: I was Leary of illiquidity. And I didn't know Benny would blink...
BennyD: Buying Green would not have rusted Yellow this round
BennyD: We needed another buyer
DanielB: Benny. If u sell a ship to buy a green. I'll sell Orion to buy the other green and kill the yellows
Toby: i don't think it helps benny though, 100% it helps you.
DanielB: Otherwise I think bear income will be like $38 and Bjoern will dividend himself $27
BennyD: That just wins you the game
BennyD: It cashes you out of a soon-to-rust share and takes down everyone else with it
DanielB: Benny. If you buy renfe. I would buy it in for max if I get to float.
BennyD: If you sell first and purchase RENFE, I'll sell after and purchase FS.
Toby: it's a tough situation for anybody who's not named beorn are daniel right now. it's a fight for 3rd
BennyD: I lose an additional $2, but you lose $8 more, bringing you closer
Talbatross: I considered being that buyer, but I was weary of leaving horse.
Toby: somehow the 4 of us need to form a mega corp. maybe that's just horse
Toby: could also be ship
Talbatross: current horse trajectory is buying E next round
DanielB: Benny. Give me a few to think that over!
DanielB: Weiswurst, what prospect can u give me for Orion to not sell it down to $22 and add $21 of maintainable to your Corp?
Toby: now it's an even more interesting game! putting the pressure on :D
DanielB: Benny, we got a deal unless Weiswurst can persuade me otherwise with a big dividend commitment
DanielB: Man will it put the hurt on!
DanielB: I take a $15 haircut to do it!
Toby: although knowing this, WW could sell orion first
beorn: $15 for a decent haircut sounds like reasonable pricing to me...
Toby: that's why ambie cuts my hair!
DanielB: sure, of course, that'd work for me too! he and Benny can then Kill the Yellows!
weisswurst: Benny, would you be intererested in PKP? I have invested in Ship, if you buy PKP it can double jumpto 37 or even to 41 if Horse goes to 37. I guess I will pay dividends with Orion then.
DanielB: How much per share?
DanielB: If u keep PLO or sell it for $29 you can pay $8 a share and stay at $37
DanielB: Pkp.
DanielB: If everyone conspires ship could go to $45!
DanielB: Whether it can stay there is another question....
DanielB: Bjoern. The nastiness of always falling or rising is taken out by the "stay in place" possibilitiea
DanielB: I guess that's a statement of the obvious ...
DanielB: Benny. I don't think our deal is good enough for you to do. If you had issued a share that would be different. You could have bought in for max. But with only $$33 cash it seems that letting yellows get fat and happy is still better for you. As I see it. Killing yellow hurts Talb and Ww hardest. Bjoern survives it well. And Toby well too. And for me it's painful to lose $15. But I'm okay. But you don't get enough out. offit. Especially not after paying up for ship. I'd squeeze the guys to all land at $37 if I were you so you end up on top at $45.
DanielB: Toby.
DanielB: Toby I got it. I think this is a win win for you name and Benny only!
DanielB: You sell. I sell. I take a $10 haircut you take a $5 haircut. But. For that kind gesture I'll have enough to float at all available pars. In turn, I'll immediately buy renfe and be from you for $89, or $82 if only the $33 par is available. In any case I'll promise full prices for both your greens in rounds 9 or 9,10.
DanielB: Rendering first. And if you want to keep br because you get lhr, no problem. I think this action will extend game because corporate incomes will plummet...
DanielB: Which will be excellent for people with green companies (you and Benny with two each and me with one....
Toby: i'm not gonna sell bear
Toby: if you want the liquidity you gotta take the big drop!
Toby: imo all deals should just be between the pack for a close finish in the final stretch
Toby: it will be more spectacular if one of us four pulls off the win
weisswurst passes
DanielB: Dude. If I sell at $22, then you sell at $20. Instead of $22. And then I don't have enough to float at $37. Which if I did. I would buy both greens immediately for full. The idea is to maximize our positions not minimize them
DanielB: Toby. Are u saying if I buy renfe first you promise to buy FS, or not?
DanielB: Bjoern. Frankly I don't know if it is better for game testing or not... of course it's me trying to do better. But I have very low confidence that the decision will end up in a better game outcome for me...
Orion changes share price from $37 to $22
DanielB sells share of Orion for $22
weisswurst: Part of the chat is lost as well with the rollback
Ship changes share price from $30 to $20
BennyD sells share of Ship for $20
Toby: bennyd, i don't think you should sell, but if you do, i don't think you should let get renfe for cheap
Toby: let daniel get renfe for cheap becausehe will have a monster saturn with mad and renfe
BennyD: There's no way for me to prevent him purchasing RENFE
Toby: ya i don't think it made sense to sell ship, but we'll see
DanielB: wow... a partner... the net worth chart is absolutely bonkers in this game.... !
Talbatross passes
beorn passes
Toby passes
DanielB: Benny, that's a hell of a hit you took... Anything I can do to help...out, I will!
Toby: you have a way with getting people to help you out daniel
DanielB: I'm innocent! I told him it's not worth it for him...I'll definitely buy his green from him if he'd like...
Talbatross: oh lord
Toby: ww you could sell an orion and take over ship
BennyD: Or sell Orion to price enforce RENFE at $34 and purchase FS
Toby: my prediction is that benny's move will sling shot daniel back to the top. when he forms mega corp saturn mad with renfe, $17 income this turn. with $35 income in saturn
BennyD: My move doesn't affect Daniel. It just affects everyone else (and is also achievable by everyone else).
BennyD: He can form the mega crop whether I purchase FS or not.
DanielB: I still like Bjoern $27 dividend this round....! So well done!
DanielB: Orion can go to $27 and still pay an $8 dividend... seems better than selling at $18...
BennyD: Bear can't pay $9 dividends if CoO goes up.
DanielB: Benny, it can with new acquisition of $12 of synergies from PR and SX. It only needs income of $12, and its income will still be over $20 with the new PR and It just can't pay them a second time in round 9.
BennyD: Why is Bear getting PR and SX?
BennyD: With PR alone, I only count $9 in income for Bear
BennyD: Ah, buying over the reds will help
BennyD: It will raise the income to $12, but only after losing a minimum of $9 in cash
BennyD: If it buys PR alone, it gets income up to $10, but only has to spend $1
BennyD: So it can get to $42, which pays out $8 dividends, i.e. $24 to Beorn
BennyD: Still good, but not $27 good
BennyD: And it significantly hurts his stock value in both companies
DanielB: I think he will buy over 1 red for $8, and leave the other red and all the sx, pr, and everything else in... i came up with like $24 in revenue post new cost of ownership, i might have made a mistake... it's all awful, but his stock price will suffer, and we have seen how challenging liquidity can be, haven't we....
BennyD: Yeah, I think that number is way off. With your scenario, it should be $21 in base income, $23 in synergies, and -$32 from CoO, leaving $12 in income. But that also leaves him -$10 in cash as well. So, net result of +$2 on top of the $33 it already has.
BennyD: Buying just PR and selling the reds is a better short-term strategy.
BennyD: Of course it hurts the stock value more
DanielB: what about Bear's $10 credit?
DanielB: oh, you have that... maybe you ar right... $12 of inoome.. and -10... hmm... well that's good...only a $7 dividend perhaps...
DanielB: still pretty impressive!
weisswurst: This is all crazy. And all this chatting does not make it easy. Benny, have you even seen my PKP offer? Anyway, it is too late now. My position is ruined, I will just pass.
weisswurst passes
BennyD: No, I didn't see your offer. It's hard to keep up with all of the chat.
Talbatross: I'm just crying in the corner at this point.
DanielB: Weisswurst did make a nice offer Benny.... he offered to sell you pkp. then i opined on it... but pkp income goes down to $2 in the next phase, so it's really not SO helpful....
DanielB bids $33 for RENFE
DanielB buys RENFE for $33 from the bank
BennyD: I'm open to purchasing PKP from you, ww
Orion changes share price from $22 to $30
BennyD buys share of Orion for $30
Talbatross passes
beorn passes
Toby passes
DanielB: Well, that was unexpected!
BennyD: )
BennyD: :)
Talbatross: nice
DanielB: NOT nice.... forecasting what 5 other people will do is frivolity....
Talbatross: but also what makes the game interesting
DanielB: Indeed! Shall we take a vote, a poll, who thinks I did the right thing selling down to buy tenge this turn ?
DanielB: Renfe
DanielB: Taking the $15 haircut in the process...?
weisswurst passes
weisswurst: Benny, the PKP deal does not make so much anymore as before. The idea was to let ship double jump or higher to 41 or so. Now the share price is so low.
weisswurst: Maybe we can still make a deal. Let's see in the next phase.
BennyD passes
-- Round: 8 Phase: 2 (Upkeep) --
New player order: Toby, weisswurst, beorn, DanielB, BennyD, Talbatross
-- Round: 8 Phase: 3 (Corporations Buys Companies) --
Eagle buys AKE for $8 from Bear
Bear buys SX for $8 from Eagle
Bear buys PR for $11 from Eagle
Bear passes
beorn: My verdict on the past trading phase: I think the only player for which it would have clearly made sense to speed up and increase CoO was BennyD. Buying E was a risky move by Talbot, is it increased the probability of making yellows pay. Plus, Horse cannot even buy E this turn, so there wasn't even pressure to get E into the market this turn.
beorn: As already suspected, DanielB has this inexplicable desire to speed up the game, and he did it again. This might have cost him his victory. Of course, if yellows had suffered the CoO penalty, his bet would have worked, but still I would have my doubt if it would have been worth it for him.
beorn: Disclaimer: I'm saying the same thing almost always when Daniel is speeding up the game, but often he wins nevertheless. I might just be wrong.
BennyD: It's fine, WW. Let's keep things as are.
Ship passes
beorn: the value graph (stats link above) looks really crazy.
beorn: The game designer is very happy that a player went from last in T5.5 to first in T8.2
Orion passes
Toby: If you have the time, this game deserves a session report..i
Horse passes
-- Round: 8 Phase: 4 (Close Companies) --
KK passes
SBB passes
PKP passes
B passes
NS passes
BSR passes
SJ passes
BR passes
MAD passes
RENFE passes
E passes
Star closes BME
DR passes
DSB passes
MS passes
BPM passes
SX passes
PR passes
-- Round: 8 Phase: 5 (Collect Income) --
Horse collects $14 income
Orion collects $23 income
Bear collects $38 income
Star collects $11 income
Ship collects $22 income
Saturn collects $-2 income
Eagle collects $-2 income
Jupiter collects $0 income
Toby collects $7 income
weisswurst collects $0 income
beorn collects $0 income
DanielB collects $17 income
BennyD collects $0 income
Talbatross collects $7 income
Foreign Investor collects $12 income
Saturn becomes bankrupt
-- Round: 8 Phase: 6 (Pay Dividends And Adjust Share Prices) --
Horse pays $0 dividends
Horse changes share price from $33 to $37
Horse passes
Orion pays $5 dividends - weisswurst receives $5 - BennyD receives $5
Orion changes share price from $30 to $41
Bear pays $6 dividends - Toby receives $6 - beorn receives $18
Bear changes share price from $27 to $33
Star pays $0 dividends
Star changes share price from $24 to $30
Star passes
beorn: $60 in Bear has great potential, just enough to buy HH for max.
beorn: But I had to play safe here.
beorn: Cold cash on hand...
beorn: Next investment phase will be vicious again...
Toby: beorn, any reason for me to keep bear?
Ship pays $6 dividends - weisswurst receives $6 - BennyD receives $6
Ship changes share price from $20 to $24
Toby: i guess rolling stock could make liquidity a problem depending on the issues this round
Eagle pays $3 dividends - beorn receives $3
Eagle changes share price from $10 to $8
Jupiter pays $0 dividends
Jupiter changes share price from $9 to $7
Jupiter passes
-- Round: 8 Phase: 7 (Check Game End) --
-- Round: 8 Phase: 8 (Issue New Shares) --
beorn: Toby: I'll keep it profitable, but if you see better opportunities, I won't keep you.
Toby: how are you going to keep it alive? will you sell shares?
DanielB: Ya'all feel you can stop ganging up on me now?
Orion passes
DanielB: Talb. Try to remember ya all really don't want bear shareholders to be able to sell at $27!
DanielB: Man. Imagine if his was a face to face game!
Horse issues a share and receives $27
Horse changes share price from $37 to $27
beorn: *slump*
beorn: Toby: I cannot promise that I won't sell a Bear share. But I'll keep the presidency
beorn: Toby: it really depends on circumstances. At the current "dense" market conditions, selling is really expensive.
beorn: so funny, I have just realized Daniel cannot found Saturn with MAD. The only share price is $37, which means he needs to pay $24. But he only has $20.
beorn: Tadaa!
beorn: He could IPO with RENFE but only if neither Toby nor Talbot IPO with their respective company.
beorn: Toby: If I did my math correct, according to my secret plan, Bear will still double jump (with $0 dividend) or alternatively pay a dividend, even if it stays it its current, already high, share price.
Ship issues a share and receives $22
Ship changes share price from $24 to $22
-- Round: 8 Phase: 9 (Form Corporations) --
MAD passes
DanielB: Should be able to par at $27 and $41 with a blue Bjoern!
DanielB: Well. $41 maybe not.... but I wonder if all 6p games will have this much illiquidity ? Probably
DanielB: Makes eagle really interesting. More lower pars might be helpful too. Tlabatross horse would probably be in the middle of the stack now if he'd pared at $16. But he'd have two shares...
weisswurst: There are indeed very few blue par prices.
weisswurst: By the way, why are there no purples in v2?
beorn: weisswurst: The game is long enough without purples. With the current design state, Purples don't add much more but game time, so it's not a great gain to add them.
beorn: The location and number of par prices have many constraints. You cannot just add a few more.
beorn: It's too complicated to explain it in a small chat box.
E passes
Toby: welp here goes
Toby forms corporation Saturn with BR at $24 - 4 shares issued.
Toby: talbot, please consider selling E for max price. horse has no future
Talbatross: maybe
Talbatross: I guess CoO is going up no matter what so horse is not happy
Toby: horse is too slow
Toby: the rolling stock hampered your ability to issue shares in the proper round
Talbatross: rolling stock and my own mental function to be more exact I'd say.
Talbatross: I guess I'll lean towards selling to you
DanielB: so is my option to float a company that doesn't isn't available here just to annoy me? Toby, please add the code to make this go away at your convenience..."if Jupiter, Saturn, xxxx", are public corps, then not listed as availabel corps... etc...
RENFE passes
-- Round: 9 Phase: 1 (Auctions And Share Trading) --
DanielB: boy that was a fun pass,... grumble grumble grumble
Toby: @daniel ya, it's a big change because i need to migrate all previous games, but i agree it's annoying
DanielB: why? Should the further software development be independent of previous played games? isn't that a problem for further development going forward?
Toby: because i have very strict checks in my code that ensures the integrity of the games. if i change the way auto passing is calculated, then all games will be confused because people will be passing when they are not allowed to pass.
Bear changes share price from $33 to $20
Toby sells share of Bear for $20
Toby: looks like we still have to gang up on you daniel :P
DanielB: what a Benny gift to Weisswurst, from sixth to close to 3rd! - Benny, from helping the group, you did well, but you put yourself solidly from 3rd/4th into 6th by not pulling the trigger last round... unless Ww, doesn't sell... then I suppose it was more neutral... - hey just ignore me, I'm a bit cranky....
DanielB: Toby, you did the final deed. Your the last guy holding the gun... but it was moderately good for you, so I can't fault you...
weisswurst: 6th, 3rd, who cares? Only the first place counts.
Talbatross: as Ricky Bobby once said, "If you ain't first, you're last!"
DanielB: "if u ain't 1, you lost!"
DanielB: Bjoern, why'd you save the last $15 for Bear? Wouldn't the extra $9 cold cash have been better? curious. And damn you Toby for making me the target, again....!
DanielB: Once Toby Saturn get's bought, Toby will be the Leader!
Talbatross: sounds boring
Talbatross: sounds boring
weisswurst passes
Toby: haha, daniel trying to deflect the target on his back, your position is very good daniel and it will be a challenge to catch up to you
Jupiter changes share price from $7 to $9
beorn buys share of Jupiter for $9
beorn becomes president of Jupiter
beorn: look at my diverse portfolio. :o)
Talbatross: making jupiter great again eh ?
beorn: And I am THREE presidents at the same time!
Toby: haha, as expected of beorn - the synergy monster
BennyD: "Solid 3rd/4th" is still a loss. I don't differentiate positions. My recent moves were purely to give me a fighting chance for 1st.
BennyD: Changing the CoO last round would have given you the game.
DanielB: Bjorn continues to molest the has-been companies... and no-one is intervening... weh!
DanielB: mostly so he can sell Eagle for an extra buck, and steal the $18 cash in Jupiter.... argh...
DanielB: Bjoern - Corporate Raider that no-one touches....
DanielB passes
DanielB: Gotta love the Star come-back!
Talbatross: which the purchase of FS will smack down.
DanielB: Bjoern, Toby, will Star's Oranges all automatically be closed with new CoO? What's the triggers on Recievership closures? because I've seen company with negative income stay open...?
Toby: red is auto closed at $4, orange at $7
beorn: Star is just too expensive to take over as prey.
Orion changes share price from $41 to $37
BennyD sells share of Orion for $37
Talbatross passes
Toby bids $32 for FS
BennyD bids $34 for FS
Toby bids $35 for FS
Toby: i'm at my limit benny,
BennyD leaves auction
Toby buys FS for $35 from the bank
BennyD: Me too
Talbatross: well I guess if you buy E from me, can horse buy FS ?
BennyD: Why wouldn't Horse buy E?
BennyD: Two synergies.
BennyD: Maximizing return?
Talbatross: maximizing return and causing grieg.
Talbatross: or grief even.
Talbatross: I don't think selling to myself really is going to move the needle.
DanielB: Grief is good!
Toby: good grief
DanielB: Ok. So star will finally fall.
weisswurst passes
Eagle changes share price from $8 to $7
beorn sells share of Eagle for $7
Eagle goes into receivership
DanielB passes
BennyD bids $45 for HH
BennyD buys HH for $45 from the bank
Talbatross passes
DanielB: Ww. Why aren't you selling? It's probably your only chance to sell without taking a 10-$15 haircut. And. Buy a blue... not necessarily in my interest. But I'm just curious?
weisswurst: 1st place is out of sight, so it is pretty irrelevant
Toby passes
DanielB: Idk. You own a share of the best company in the game and can buy a blue. Might be pretty close to the top actually
weisswurst passes
beorn passes
DanielB passes
BennyD passes
-- Round: 9 Phase: 2 (Upkeep) --
New player order: weisswurst, beorn, DanielB, Talbatross, BennyD, Toby
-- Round: 9 Phase: 3 (Corporations Buys Companies) --
Ship buys HH for $53 from BennyD
Saturn offers $57 for E
Toby: fs for sale
Saturn buys E for $57 from Talbatross
Horse offers $41 for FS
Toby: can you do 42?
Toby declines to sell FS to Horse for $41
Talbatross: Fine
Toby: need that extra $ cuz benny is a meanie
Talbatross: Fine
Horse offers $42 for FS
Horse buys FS for $42 from Toby
Saturn passes
Horse passes
Jupiter buys BPM for $9 from Bear
Bear buys OL for $8 from Jupiter
Bear passes
Jupiter passes
Orion buys SZD for $30 from Foreign Investor
-- Round: 9 Phase: 4 (Close Companies) --
B passes
NS passes
FS passes
BR passes
E passes
MAD passes
RENFE passes
Star closes WT
Star closes BY
Star closes BD
Star closes HE
KK passes
SBB passes
PKP passes
SZD passes
BSR passes
SJ passes
HH passes
DR passes
DSB passes
MS passes
SX passes
PR passes
OL passes
-- Round: 9 Phase: 5 (Collect Income) --
Orion collects $13 income
Star collects $-2 income
Horse collects $7 income
Saturn collects $29 income
Ship collects $40 income
Bear collects $18 income
Jupiter collects $-4 income
Eagle collects $-5 income
weisswurst collects $0 income
beorn collects $0 income
DanielB collects $17 income
Talbatross collects $0 income
BennyD collects $0 income
Toby collects $0 income
Foreign Investor collects $5 income
Eagle becomes bankrupt
-- Round: 9 Phase: 6 (Pay Dividends And Adjust Share Prices) --
Orion pays $4 dividends - weisswurst receives $4
Orion changes share price from $37 to $45
Star pays $0 dividends
Star changes share price from $30 to $18
Star passes
Horse pays $5 dividends - Talbatross receives $5
Horse changes share price from $27 to $33
Saturn pays $1 dividends - Toby receives $2
Saturn changes share price from $24 to $27
Ship pays $7 dividends - weisswurst receives $7 - BennyD receives $7
Ship changes share price from $22 to $30
Bear pays $6 dividends - beorn receives $18
Bear changes share price from $20 to $24
Jupiter pays $3 dividends - beorn receives $3
Jupiter changes share price from $9 to $7
-- Round: 9 Phase: 7 (Check Game End) --
-- Round: 9 Phase: 8 (Issue New Shares) --
Orion passes
Horse passes
Ship passes
-- Round: 9 Phase: 9 (Form Corporations) --
DanielB: Interesting choice. Mad at $37 or Renfe at $22.
DanielB: Who is willing to sell CDG to Eagle?
MAD passes
DanielB forms corporation Eagle with RENFE at $22 - 4 shares issued.
-- Round: 10 Phase: 1 (Auctions And Share Trading) --
DanielB: Bjoern's got this in the bag unless a series of good things come my way. I needed to intervene in his rape of eagle, and Jupiter... too many optimizations that were successful...
DanielB: But boiled down, I simply needed o e of his shares to mitigate his delta which I had a shot at. Wow. What a great squandering!
DanielB: Incredible game...
DanielB: "One Share of Bear" ... at $24 when he was at two shares....and I sold Star at $24 rather than buy Bear at $24
BennyD: Please don't use rape in that way.
Talbatross: Let's go with plundering
Ship changes share price from $30 to $20
weisswurst sells share of Ship for $20
DanielB: Agreed!
DanielB: Damn. I thought Ship was the best looking Corp out there!
DanielB: But the complexity analysis of these simple decisions is non-trivial! Seems not like poker
DanielB: Seem MORE like Poker!:)
Ship changes share price from $20 to $30
beorn buys share of Ship for $30
beorn: Maybe Daniel is already in the realm of reverse psychology: If he claims something is great, everybody tries to get rid of it...
beorn: Except me, of course.
beorn: I fell for him...
beorn: I hope Benny will appreciate...
DanielB passes
Talbatross passes
BennyD bids $48 for HR
Toby: ww are you shooting for HA / HR?
weisswurst: Well, that would be great, but can easily be blocked.
Toby: will someone sell em HA/HR ?
Toby: me
weisswurst: For example by you. If I buy HR, you can start bidding on HA
weisswurst: Yeah, I would sell it to you
weisswurst bids $49 for HR
Talbatross: Hrmmm, and here I thought WW wanted fra
Talbatross leaves auction
DanielB: I totally thought he wanted FRA too.... me confused by the Wurst....
Talbatross: If you want some horse Toby, it has good synergies for your Saturn.
Toby: i'll consider it if i don't buy HA
Talbatross: Well, really just E
BennyD leaves auction
weisswurst buys HR for $49 from the bank
Toby bids $48 for HA
Talbatross leaves auction
BennyD bids $49 for HA
BennyD buys HA for $49 from the bank
Talbatross: welp guess that happened
BennyD: Need to delay the end of the game if we are going to have a chance to pull Beorn and Daniel down.
DanielB: dang, i thought i wanted to slow down the game... it's a difficult analysis... (Bjoern, is this me subconsciously using reverse Psychology? I don't feel like I'm being very successful at it!]
Talbatross: well slowing down the game is only good if damage is inflicted, otherwise it just makes things worse. So I guess the real question is how do things become worse for Daniel and Beorn?
BennyD: It can't get worse than losing. And an extra is an extra turn to try something. Not saying I have a good solution, just that ending the game as quickly as possible is likely not it.
DanielB: Fundamentally. It's good for those with green companies. So I'd say it's best for Toby and Shipbshareholders, and it let's someone perhaps do something interesting... Bjoern hedged his bet nicely with Ship. Now if she could be plundered that might help :). For me I think it's neutral to a little bad... I feel like blues are a little weak. There should be two rounds where green doesn't pay...curious Bjoern's reasoning...
Orion changes share price from $45 to $41
weisswurst sells share of Orion for $41
Orion goes into receivership
Jupiter changes share price from $7 to $6
beorn sells share of Jupiter for $6
Jupiter goes into receivership
DanielB passes
Saturn changes share price from $27 to $37
Talbatross buys share of Saturn for $37
Talbatross: I guess I'll create a 3rd devil
DanielB: that's cool, now you can buy my share too...(though i don't know if that's good or bad for me...)actually, probably good for the corp, since I can buy CDG and buy it in... if ya wants to diversify your partnerships....
DanielB: of course, Toby can kill us all with being a dividend king.... damn!
Talbatross: Perhaps.
BennyD passes
Orion changes share price from $41 to $45
Toby buys share of Orion for $45
Toby becomes president of Orion
Toby: expensive plunder...
DanielB: $122-$121-$120.... the designer must be happy!
Talbatross: 121, he's the first last.
Saturn changes share price from $37 to $41
weisswurst buys share of Saturn for $41
beorn passes
beorn: In v2, the later companies are intentionally weaker. Otherwise you would just send corps into receivership all the time and buy the newer, better companies.
DanielB passes
Horse changes share price from $33 to $27
Talbatross sells share of Horse for $27
Horse goes into receivership
BennyD passes
Toby passes
weisswurst passes
beorn passes
DanielB passes
DanielB: Talb, if you sell Saturn and buy two shares of Eagle, I'll commit to buying MAD and CDG in next round (and far below max- probably $58, which will be excellent for Eagle shares, they should end up at $61 and pay some dividends from the $102 of income in last two rounds (while Saturn's sucking gas at $9 of income in the last round .....)... giving the corp income of $51 for round 11 and round 12
DanielB: You may be better off holding Saturn however...anyway, benefit to me is to get an extra $6 for selling a share that will end up in my pocket, and to collaborate with the 2nd tier....
Talbatross: I just wish I had 1 more dollar
Toby: saturn will be the best company
Talbatross: Toby would you buy LHR off me next round for max?
Toby: i won't have the money
Toby: i would like LHr in the future, but it's impossible to get $77
Talbatross bids $58 for LHR
Talbatross buys LHR for $58 from the bank
BennyD passes
Toby passes
weisswurst passes
beorn passes
DanielB passes
DanielB: Toby... your incorrect...
Toby: **you're
Talbatross passes
-- Round: 10 Phase: 2 (Upkeep) --
New player order: DanielB, beorn, BennyD, weisswurst, Toby, Talbatross
Foreign Investor buys FRA for $56 from the bank
-- Round: 10 Phase: 3 (Corporations Buys Companies) --
Saturn buys SZD for $15 from Orion
Saturn buys PKP for $13 from Orion
Eagle buys MAD for $55 from DanielB
Toby: fuck $1 short from my master plan
beorn: Toby, how about $19 more money in Orion for a full $15 dividend?
Bear offers $19 for KK
Toby: ohhhhhh beorn with the save! that could work!
Bear buys KK for $19 from Orion
-- Round: 10 Phase: 4 (Close Companies) --
BR passes
E passes
SZD passes
PKP passes
RENFE passes
MAD passes
LHR passes
BSR passes
SJ passes
HH passes
HA passes
DR passes
DSB passes
MS passes
SX passes
PR passes
OL passes
KK passes
Toby: WW, you probably can turn skips back on for close
HR passes
-- Round: 10 Phase: 5 (Collect Income) --
Orion collects $-2 income
Saturn collects $38 income
Ship collects $40 income
Horse collects $7 income
Bear collects $22 income
Eagle collects $25 income
Star collects $-2 income
Jupiter collects $-4 income
DanielB collects $0 income
beorn collects $0 income
BennyD collects $10 income
weisswurst collects $10 income
Toby collects $0 income
Talbatross collects $10 income
Foreign Investor collects $15 income
Jupiter becomes bankrupt
-- Round: 10 Phase: 6 (Pay Dividends And Adjust Share Prices) --
Orion pays $15 dividends - Toby receives $15
Orion changes share price from $45 to $37
Saturn pays $2 dividends - weisswurst receives $2 - Toby receives $4 - Talbatross receives $2
Saturn changes share price from $41 to $50
weisswurst: Interested in HR, Toby?
Ship pays $1 dividends - beorn receives $1 - BennyD receives $1
Ship changes share price from $30 to $41
Horse pays $0 dividends
Horse changes share price from $27 to $33
Horse passes
Bear pays $4 dividends - beorn receives $12
Bear changes share price from $24 to $30
Toby: yea but I don’t know if I can buy it
Toby: @ww
weisswurst: Ah, Saturn cannot issue anymore
beorn: And Bear is still undervalued, without any greens or blues...
beorn: Makes the designer happy...
Toby: :D
Eagle pays $0 dividends
Eagle changes share price from $22 to $27
Star pays $0 dividends
Star changes share price from $18 to $14
Star passes
-- Round: 10 Phase: 7 (Check Game End) --
-- Round: 10 Phase: 8 (Issue New Shares) --
Ship passes
Orion passes
Horse issues a share and receives $24
Horse changes share price from $33 to $24
DanielB: Oh Benny, why didn't you issue?
Eagle issues a share and receives $27
-- Round: 10 Phase: 9 (Form Corporations) --
BennyD: Why would I?
LHR passes
weisswurst forms corporation Jupiter with HR at $33 - 4 shares issued.
HA passes
-- Round: 11 Phase: 1 (Auctions And Share Trading) --
DanielB bids $60 for CDG
DanielB buys CDG for $60 from the bank
beorn passes
BennyD passes
DanielB: I wonder how representative this permanent bottleneck in the share market is in a six-player game?
DanielB: Didn't Bjoern quip about how shares were so widely dispersed in this game early on?
DanielB: I'm confused. If you look at the stars for Ship, it needs 21 stars to be at $41, and 19 stars to be at $33. But Bear only needs 17 stars to be at $33. Both at 5 shares issued. What gives? Will 19 stars next turn give Bear a jump to $45, or a fall back to $33.... confusing math, even if it is easier to climb, I think it'd only be one star difference, not 4 stars difference....
Toby: each star is $10 if you want to convert to book value
DanielB: I know that. But look at example of what I'm talking about
weisswurst passes
Orion changes share price from $37 to $22
Toby sells share of Orion for $22
Orion goes into receivership
Toby: @daniel bear needs 16 stars to be at 33
Toby: so the formula is simply 1 star over to jump 1, 2 stars over to jump 2 etc
Talbatross passes
beorn: But the base star number to stay where you are is a different story.
DanielB passes
Ship changes share price from $41 to $37
beorn sells share of Ship for $37
beorn: Toby, cannot give you that $37 spot. :o)
BennyD passes
weisswurst passes
Toby: talbot will you sell me LHR in round 12 for 70?
Talbatross: Sure
Ship changes share price from $37 to $41
Toby buys share of Ship for $41
Talbatross passes
beorn: Talbot: That's a $2 gain for you, but so much more for Toby... but Saturn won't have more. It can be a neat strategy in this game to put yourself in a situation where you cannot pay more, so it's "take it or leave it" for the other side.
DanielB: Talbot. I don't see how you want to reward Toby. If he had resisted dividending $8 last round he would have the $77 for lhr. Do t give him his cake so he can eat it too!
Toby: well he does have a share in saturn as well
beorn: And $2 gain is better than $0 gain.
beorn: And the share of Saturn makes it even better.
Toby: yeap
Talbatross: at this point I'm pretty solidly not winning, so just trying to solidly get some additional value, while making the general populace grumble.
beorn: And Daniel, it's your turn...
DanielB passes
DanielB: Watch what Bjoern does now folks. It's genius
Bear changes share price from $30 to $37
beorn buys share of Bear for $37
beorn: I'm afraid it's just a flash in the pan.
BennyD passes
weisswurst passes
Toby passes
Talbatross passes
DanielB: Bjoern.. that's BS - you rise to $45, then you fall to $37 or so while paying out dividends... 4 shares... I'm depressed...
DanielB passes
Horse changes share price from $24 to $30
beorn buys share of Horse for $30
beorn becomes president of Horse
beorn: I cannot follow, Daniel. How am I supposed to rise to $45? also, I don't approve of the use of "BS" in a friendly discussion.
DanielB: Sorry Bjoern about the "BS"
DanielB: Gentlemen also. No BS.
DanielB: I am now thoroughly confused on the stars. When bear was at $30 it needed 17 stars to rise to $37. But now at $37 it needs 19 stars to maintain $37...soBjoern, I'm thinking we need some help understanding the algorithm.
beorn: I hinted that above already.
beorn: The base number of stars you need to stay where you are is your market cap (number of issued shares * share price) divided by 10
beorn: rounded normally
beorn: So Bear has now 5 shares, price $37, $37 * 5 = $185, so 19 stars.
beorn: The delta to rise or drop is then 1 or 2+ stars.
beorn: The math was precise in v1. In v2, we have this simplification with the stars.
beorn: It was meant for simplification but it also has an interesting impact on the game itself.
beorn: The more issued shares and the higher the share price, the heftier the divergence. You need two stars over base to go up two, but you need many more stars to stay there.
BennyD passes
weisswurst passes
DanielB: the economics are a bit confusing. it seems odd that Ship and Saturn still have $38 and $40 incomes in the penultimate round. Companies rise on acquistions more than cash... companies and corps and shares are more valuable than in v.1...and crowded player count games are insanely different...I certainly thought i could be caught, but I didn't think I could be trounced (Bjoern, your going to trounce me)...,.Shall we try it again gentlemen,
DanielB: Bjoern, given the math dynamics of climbing, your purchase of Bear makes less sense to me....? it seems you must withhold dividends, both round 11 and round 12....
DanielB: oh, but with acquisition of horse, you'll climb again...got it..
Toby passes
Talbatross passes
DanielB passes
beorn passes
-- Round: 11 Phase: 2 (Upkeep) --
New player order: BennyD, DanielB, Talbatross, Toby, beorn, weisswurst
-- Round: 11 Phase: 3 (Corporations Buys Companies) --
beorn: My actions are merely a desperate attempt to win with shares of zero blues and only one green. Yes, I'm in the lead right now, but that lead will melt down. (Which is something I really appreciate from the perspective of the game designer.)
Horse buys PR for $25 from Bear
Horse passes
Saturn passes
Jupiter passes
Ship passes
DanielB: Why couldn't someone have kept horse? whine whine....
DanielB: why didn't i buy eagle for $10 so you didn't get PR/SX (lynchpins of your strategy)...
Eagle passes
-- Round: 11 Phase: 4 (Close Companies) --
B passes
NS passes
FS passes
PR passes
DR passes
DSB passes
MS passes
SX passes
OL passes
KK passes
RENFE passes
MAD passes
CDG passes
LHR passes
BR passes
E passes
SZD passes
PKP passes
BSR passes
SJ passes
HH passes
HA passes
-- Round: 11 Phase: 5 (Collect Income) --
Saturn collects $38 income
Ship collects $40 income
Bear collects $16 income
Jupiter collects $11 income
Horse collects $8 income
Eagle collects $25 income
Orion collects $-2 income
Star collects $-2 income
BennyD collects $10 income
DanielB collects $10 income
Talbatross collects $10 income
Toby collects $0 income
beorn collects $0 income
weisswurst collects $0 income
Foreign Investor collects $15 income
Orion becomes bankrupt
-- Round: 11 Phase: 6 (Pay Dividends And Adjust Share Prices) --
Saturn pays $0 dividends
Saturn changes share price from $50 to $61
Ship pays $13 dividends - BennyD receives $13 - Toby receives $13
Ship changes share price from $41 to $24
Bear pays $0 dividends
Jupiter pays $0 dividends
Jupiter changes share price from $33 to $41
Horse pays $0 dividends
Horse changes share price from $30 to $33
Eagle pays $1 dividends - DanielB receives $2
Eagle changes share price from $27 to $45
Star pays $0 dividends
Star changes share price from $14 to $12
Star passes
-- Round: 11 Phase: 7 (Check Game End) --
-- Round: 11 Phase: 8 (Issue New Shares) --
Eagle issues a share and receives $45
Horse issues a share and receives $30
Horse changes share price from $33 to $30
Ship passes
-- Round: 11 Phase: 9 (Form Corporations) --
DanielB forms corporation Orion with CDG at $33 - 4 shares issued.
DanielB: Talb. I can make you a better offer than Saturn for lhr
DanielB: I will
DanielB: Benny. If you do-invest in Orion or eagle I will offer you Max for HA
BennyD: Not interested in the investment, but I'll sell it for max to prevent selling it to Saturn for max.
DanielB: Depends on talb.
DanielB: Talb. I'll offer you $77 for lhr for sure if you buy Orion. Saturns going to $55 in best case scenario
Toby: Talbot you can sell lhr, but don’t buy Orion, that’s ludicrous
DanielB: nope Toby. If anyone buys a share of Orion I will move mad and Renfe to Orion and end up at 11 stars. Enough to jump to any price. And pay dividends. So Benny. Happy to do that deal with you. Orion would end up on either $61 or $68 and pay dividends. Not bad for a $50 purchase and selling your blue for max
DanielB: Talb. Since you can sell Saturn and do the same deal I also offer it to you!
Toby: That just ensures the win for Daniel
DanielB: Everyman for his own position Mr Saturn!
Toby: yup!
DanielB: Me not getting Saturn was a major blow. $3 short. Shouldn't have taken the $15 haircut. Much learned this game!
LHR passes
HA passes
-- Round: 12 Phase: 1 (Auctions And Share Trading) --
Ship changes share price from $24 to $27
BennyD buys share of Ship for $27
DanielB: Talb, $19 profit on LHR and a $45 share that returns $65
DanielB: Weiswurst. I'm willing to canabalize eagle. Will u take a share of Orion? Bjoern's
DanielB: Folks. Bjoern should gain about $12-$14 a share of bear this round. That'll put him around $225-$230. Even with some collaboration this a very much a long ahot
DanielB passes
Talbatross passes
weisswurst: I can't win anymore, so any move I do could be kingmaking one way or the other way, so I think I won't make any more deals.
Toby passes
beorn passes
beorn: We are back at the old gaming problem: What's the aim of the game if you are sure you cannot win anymore?
beorn: I was tempted to write something into the rules, like: "The aim of the game is to win. If you cannot win anymore, then aim for the lowest possible distance to the winner."
beorn: Personally, I find it almost obscene to play for rank (i.e. if I'm going to become 3rd, I'll gang up on the 2nd so that I at least become 2nd, given that I cannot become 1st anymore).
beorn: But I guess that's for too meta to put it into the rules. In a tournament, the aims would be better defined. But there are so many possible tournament ranking schemes that I don't really want to select one in the rules.
beorn: To name just a few fundamentals: Is your score your rank (1st, 2nd, 3rd)? Is your score the "percentage of the 1st"? Is it the percentage of some (possibly weighted) mean?
beorn: Each changes the game. The first would make you "play for rank" as described, the 2nd would make you only hit the (likely) winner, while the 3rd will make you hit various players.
beorn: Any scoring scheme that only let's the winner score anything has the problem of kingmaking. How should I decide what to do if I cannot win anymore? Back to space one.
beorn: I think in lack of a tournament scoring, I personally and intuitively aim for "percentage of the 1st".
beorn: Which would decide the kingmaker problem: I make that person the king for which I would score the better percentage of the score of the king.
weisswurst passes
weisswurst: Well, this kind of goals when you can't win anymore are just not for me. You can discuss on this topic for a long time, but there are just different views. Have you read the long thread on bgg regarding semi-coops? In a semi-coop you either all lose, or you all win, but there is just one grand-winner. Topic of discussion in the bgg-thread was whether you should still aim for an all-win if you can't become the grand-winner anymore. There are just two opposite opinions on that. Some people just say, no if I can't be the grand-winner, I certainly will not let someone else be it. So you just can't enforce it by rules.
weisswurst: Tournament settings, where a value is given to second and third places make the problem worse. Then you get scenarios where one play may give you a good chance on first place, but also a good chance of failure and becoming last. And another play may secure second place, but gives little chance on becoming first. This is just impossible, that is why multiplayer games are less suitable for tournament in my opinion.
weisswurst: For me, if I can't win anymore,I just like to freewheel to the end of the game. Still enjoying it, but there are just no interesting decisions to be made anymore.
beorn: Semi-Coops are indeed a huge problem. They only work if everybody buys into "Grand winner > winning with the crowd > everybody loses". In the above argument, the player in question has "grand winner > everybody loses > winning with the crowd", which is, in a way, a breach of the rules.
beorn: And that's the problem with the semi coops: you have to write into the rules what's more a meta-gaming thing.
beorn: As you said: "So you just can't enforce it by rules."
beorn: But then you cannot really enforce that players try to win at all. A friend of mine once started to play really weirdly (in a 2-player card game). I thought she must have a really weird hand or something. She lost miserably, and it was no fun for anybody. After that, she said she secretly set herself the goal to play as badly as possible and presumably make me happy by giving me a glorious victory. That was her attempt on some Zen. Since it was no fun at all, and she made me unhappy rather than happy, it was a nice demonstration of the Zen of boardgaming: You have to state proper opposition to make it a friendly and fun experience.
beorn: Which loops ups back to the situation in a multiplayer game where some players have no chance of winning anymore at some point in the game.
beorn: How do they have to behave to not spoil the game for the others? I know a few players who just freak out in that situation and play erratically or even destructively. That kills the fun quite a bit. So I do think there _should_ be some guideline about "reasonable" behavior in a situation where winning is out of the question. But as said, very problematic to enforce by rules.
weisswurst: Well, I have had bad experiences either way. I once played a move in losing position, which improved my position marginally and was criticized by a few other players "why did you play that kingmaking move, you can't win yourself anyway?". So what is the proper opposition here? IMO, it cannot be solved.
BennyD: My general guiding philosophy is to always play to win. If I deem that impossible, I play to highest percentage of the winner, since it seems the closest approximation to a similar goal. Playing for rank doesn't put you closer to winning, it just puts someone else further from it.
BennyD: The more difficult gaming conundrum for me to come to grips with in Rolling Stock is table talk/negotiation. In a competitive game (this excludes explicit learning games), I generally don't like any table talk regarding the game in progress. Let the moves speak for themselves. This is also why I rarely play negotiation games. Rolling Stock is kind of a hybrid in that the gameplay is more interesting when negotiation takes place, but it also brings in aspects that I dislike.
BennyD passes
-- Round: 12 Phase: 2 (Upkeep) --
New player order: DanielB, BennyD, Talbatross, Toby, beorn, weisswurst
-- Round: 12 Phase: 3 (Corporations Buys Companies) --
Ship offers $15 for PKP
BennyD: Open to offers for HH.
BennyD: Sorry, HA
BennyD: Daniel, I'll sell HA to Orion for max. You can then move CDG over to Eagle.
DanielB: Well. I'd like to respond thoughtfully to the press's. But I am in a state of dismay that all passed and no one sold Saturn when it had no chance to do anything but decline...
Ship buys PKP for $15 from Saturn
BennyD: The press's?
DanielB: Instead of an interesting finish line with Bjoern and some real movement for 3-5 places Bjoern will walk to the finish line with a very large win. Sure it can be said I had to sell my eagle in order to buy Orion because it nets me $30. But that wasn't enough to catch Bjoern. So waited on a sale ... now I'm frustrated pumping up Orion doesn't work when I don't have 3 shares
Saturn passes
BennyD: Not sure what you mean about Saturn going down. With dividends, holding the share is still a net profit.
BennyD: $20-$11=$9
Toby: because it doesn't go with daniel's plan
BennyD: Right, but he's phrasing it as if it was an obvious "good move" for everyone to sell.
beorn: weisswurst: That accusation of kingmaking wouldn't happen if there were consensus about what to aim for if you cannot win anymore.
Bear buys FS for $16 from Horse
Bear buys B for $12 from Horse
Bear buys NS for $11 from Horse
Horse buys SX for $21 from Bear
Horse buys MS for $22 from Bear
Jupiter passes
Toby: let's just finish it up. i thought it was a fun and interesting game
weisswurst: For me it was fun and interesting! If I made it less fun for anybody, then I apologize. Maybe the game is just not for me.
Toby: ww, you did no such thing. i think this game went fine.
weisswurst: @beorn; true, but that kind of consensus almost never happens in my experience. Too many different opinions.
Toby: i have the same philosophy as benny, although i do try to stay out of it if i'm way out of it and doing something marginal for me would totally shift the game and king make for someone else
beorn: weisswurst: exactly, that was the starting point of my whole musing
Eagle offers $61 for HA
DanielB: I believe I'm in Bjoern's camp. I worry much less about "kingmaking". To me, individual players should determine their "risk" preferences. So they can take higher risk, or lower risk strategies (to try to capture the win, or if it's too "risky", optomize their score. But otherwise, optimizing one's own outcome as a percentage of the winning score, just as you'd optimize any investment you make to make the most money you can. So if you can move your score from 80% to 85% of the winners, or not slip to 75%, that's good play.
DanielB: My point of view, is colored due to the economic nature of these "xx" type games. These are not "war games", with a winner-take-all prize. They are economic maximization games. To say their is no utility in being second, is like say that their is no difference between the quality of life in Chile vs. Argentina. While some may prioritize differently, it's clear that Chile made better decisions and "optomized" its situation superior to Argentina (and Venezuela), the last 50 years. The fact that their "game play" , lagged the Netherlands, or US, or Canada or ___", doesn't mean that the "better" or 2nd/3rd place play is of no value. If one choice to optimize helps the leader, that isn't necessarily "Kingmaking". Economic winners often benefit from "increasing" returns over time...
DanielB: as the final score will lay testimony to, making sure no-one worked with Daniel, only pushed Bjoern to a massive victory (well-deserved)... I only wish, in the chat, that their was a higher response rate at times...
DanielB: I hope you all enjoyed the game... And learned much. This is a great group of folks and I thank you kindly the Shark Game
weisswurst: I accept that some players value percentage or rank or any other measure which guides them in making decisions when they can't win anymore. As long as other players accept that I don't care for such measures, I am fine!
beorn: I have to disagree on the comparison to real-life economy.
beorn: The big difference in real life economy is that it is not zero sum.
beorn: Example: I can decide for action A or action B. A will give me $1M and another person $2M. B will give me only $1000, but the other person will gain nothing In a two player game, I would do B, because that would make me win the game. In real life, I would do A because I can live the rest of my life in prosperity and I don't care that somebody else has twice the prosperity.
beorn: This basic principle is a huge problem for historic simulation games.
beorn: Historically, there's often a solution that is most beneficial for all sides. Let's say end a war with terms that everybody can live with and start building prosperity again.
beorn: If a war game is very accurate in its simulation, players should all do that. But than everybody has won, and that's boring in a game.
beorn: So the players in a game act irrationally from a historical perspective.
beorn: The opposite can also happen. Originally, RS was thought as a "start-up investment game". But as it has quite realistic mechanisms, I couldn't make players act as irrationally as investors in real life often do.
beorn: In real life, they hope for a pyramid-game effect where they will leave the train just in time before everything collapses. In a game, information is too accessible to get people on the train in the first place.
DanielB: Bjoern, all others, this is very fruitful fodder for further discussion.
DanielB: Benny, I served up your offer...
Eagle buys HA for $61 from BennyD
BennyD: But the games ARE winner-take-all. Unlike real life, there is a stated goal and only one player (barring unbreakable ties) can achieve that goal. There may be a difference between the quality of life in Chile vs. Argentina, but they also are not in an agreed upon competition.
DanielB: I don't think they'd agree with that Benny - Chile and Argentina are often in competition! :) hope i get to Seattle soon
Orion buys MAD for $25 from Eagle
Orion buys RENFE for $17 from Eagle
Eagle passes
Orion passes
-- Round: 12 Phase: 4 (Close Companies) --
BR passes
E passes
SZD passes
CDG passes
MAD passes
RENFE passes
LHR passes
Horse closes SX
Horse closes MS
BennyD: And how would you propose to objectively measure "quality of life"?
BennyD: And how would you ensure that all participants understand and agree to those rules?
DR passes
DSB passes
OL passes
KK passes
FS passes
B passes
NS passes
BennyD: My point is that real life is real life and a game is a game. The principles involved are not comparable.
BSR passes
SJ passes
HH passes
PKP passes
-- Round: 12 Phase: 5 (Collect Income) --
Saturn collects $6 income
Eagle collects $10 income
Jupiter collects $11 income
Bear collects $5 income
Orion collects $41 income
Horse collects $-7 income
Ship collects $23 income
Star collects $-5 income
DanielB collects $0 income
BennyD collects $0 income
Talbatross collects $10 income
Toby collects $0 income
beorn collects $0 income
weisswurst collects $0 income
Foreign Investor collects $15 income
-- Round: 12 Phase: 6 (Pay Dividends And Adjust Share Prices) --
Saturn pays $20 dividends - Talbatross receives $20 - Toby receives $40 - weisswurst receives $20
Saturn changes share price from $61 to $50
Eagle pays $15 dividends - DanielB receives $30
Eagle changes share price from $45 to $24
DanielB: wow - $23 x 3 - $15, my pass cost me $54 in final score I think....
Jupiter pays $13 dividends - weisswurst receives $26
Jupiter changes share price from $41 to $22
Bear pays $10 dividends - beorn receives $40
Bear changes share price from $37 to $45
Orion pays $11 dividends - DanielB receives $22
Orion changes share price from $33 to $41
Horse pays $7 dividends - beorn receives $7
Horse changes share price from $30 to $20
beorn: Daniel, you said "my pass cost me $54 in final score I think....". If that is true, you would have won if you had not passed. Which in turn means all the others did the right thing to not deal anything that would have given you a larger advantage than themselves.
Ship pays $4 dividends - BennyD receives $8 - Toby receives $4
Ship changes share price from $27 to $33
Star pays $0 dividends
Star changes share price from $12 to $11
Star passes
-- Round: 12 Phase: 7 (Check Game End) --
Game over. beorn ($249), DanielB ($209), Toby ($193), Talbatross ($161), BennyD ($158), weisswurst ($142)
BennyD: GG all
BennyD: Well-played, Beorn
Toby: gg everybody! it was a very fun and interesting game
Toby: beorn, are you satisfied with the 2.1 tweaks? switching star and horse. i think it's a very simple but effective change.
weisswurst: Grats, beorn!
beorn: Thanks everybody. However, what pleases me most is not my victory but how the game developed and worked out quite nicely from a design perspective.
beorn: The stats graph shows the epic struggle. No start-to-finish victory.
beorn: Also, the winning player never bought a blue or a green, and had only shares in a single green.
beorn: (It's crucial for v2 to work that just running for the next tier of companies is not necessarily the best move.)
beorn: And yes, Toby, I'm pretty convinced with the star/horse swap.
Toby: will you have time to make a designer session report? this one seems worthy ;)
DanielB: yeah, it wasn't $54, it was $14 only... so with moving to 3 shares Orion, I would have ended up at $223. Not close to Bjoern. That's why I was counting on a partner. Bjoern showed us how to play the synergies and stars! But if he doesn't get Bear, he's down 5 stars. If he doesn't get Eagle for $10, he's down a lot.... I can't believe I didn't do anything to stop him... sigh... good learning game! I'm aghast that Weiswurst and Benny finished down so much... they had good games at times... an analysis would be very interesting from each participant!
Talbatross: This was probably the most interesting game of RS I've played. Thanks a lot guys!
beorn: Very short on time these days, so I doubt I can really write a session report.
beorn: But definitely immensely helpful game to get confidence this will work as printed.
beorn: I think what went well for me was the cannibalizing of cheaply acquired corporations.
beorn: Which means receivership works. People sell into receivership because it is an advantage at that moment, but others can then profit from the loot.
beorn: A really nice twist as a game mechanism
Toby: definitely!
Toby: can't wait for this to go into production
Players
DANIELB
Player
$79
Cash
$209
Value
$0
Income
1
Order
Eagle
Orion
Corp
* 2
* 2
Shares
$24
$41
Price
$48
$82
Value
BENNYD
Player
$92
Cash
$158
Value
$0
Income
2
Order
Ship
Corp
* 2
Shares
$33
Price
$66
Value
TALBATROSS
Player
$53
Cash
$161
Value
$10
Income
3
Order
LHR
Company
$58
Value
($29-$77)
Range
$10
Income
+$8
BR [34]
E [43]
+$16
FRA [56]
CDG [60]
Saturn
Corp
1
Shares
$50
Price
$50
Value
TOBY
Player
$60
Cash
$193
Value
$0
Income
4
Order
Saturn
Ship
Corp
* 2
1
Shares
$50
$33
Price
$100
$33
Value
BEORN
Player
$49
Cash
$249
Value
$0
Income
5
Order
Bear
Horse
Corp
* 4
* 1
Shares
$45
$20
Price
$180
$20
Value
WEISSWURST
Player
$48
Cash
$142
Value
$0
Income
6
Order
Saturn
Jupiter
Corp
1
* 2
Shares
$50
$22
Price
$50
$44
Value
Corporations
Saturn
Corporation
$11
Cash
13 ★
Stars
$6
Income
$50
Price
E
Company
$43
Value
($22-$57)
Range
$-3
Income
+$4
NS [22]
B [24]
SNCF [26]
+$8
BR [34]
HA [46]
HR [47]
LHR [58]
CDG [60]
BR
Company
$34
Value
($17-$45)
Range
$-3
Income
+$8
E [43]
LHR [58]
SZD
Company
$30
Value
($15-$40)
Range
$-3
Income
+$4
PKP [25]
President
TOBY
Issued Shares
4
Shares In Bank
0
Synergy Bonus
$8
Info
Price
22 ★
$61
21 ★
$55
19 ★
$45
18 ★
$41
Stars
Price
Bear
Corporation
$2
Cash
21 ★
Stars
$5
Income
$45
Price
FS
Company
$32
Value
($16-$42)
Range
$-3
Income
+$4
KK [21]
SBB [23]
SNCF [26]
DR
Company
$29
Value
($15-$38)
Range
$-5
Income
+$2
WT [11]
BY [12]
BD [13]
HE [14]
OL [15]
SX [16]
MS [17]
PR [19]
+$4
DSB [20]
KK [21]
NS [22]
SBB [23]
B [24]
PKP [25]
SNCF [26]
BSR [36]
HH [45]
HR [47]
FRA [56]
B
Company
$24
Value
($12-$32)
Range
$-5
Income
+$2
PR [19]
+$4
NS [22]
SNCF [26]
DR [29]
E [43]
HA [46]
HR [47]
NS
Company
$22
Value
($11-$29)
Range
$-5
Income
+$2
OL [15]
PR [19]
+$4
B [24]
DR [29]
E [43]
HA [46]
HR [47]
KK
Company
$21
Value
($11-$28)
Range
$-5
Income
+$2
BY [12]
SX [16]
+$4
SBB [23]
PKP [25]
DR [29]
FS [32]
FRA [56]
DSB
Company
$20
Value
($10-$26)
Range
$-5
Income
+$2
OL [15]
MS [17]
PR [19]
+$4
DR [29]
BSR [36]
HH [45]
OL
Company
$15
Value
($8-$20)
Range
$-7
Income
+$1
KME [5]
AKE [6]
MHE [8]
+$2
MS [17]
PR [19]
DSB [20]
NS [22]
DR [29]
President
BEORN
Issued Shares
5
Shares In Bank
1
Synergy Bonus
$30
Info
Price
25 ★
$55
24 ★
$50
22 ★
$41
21 ★
$37
Stars
Price
Orion
Corporation
$27
Cash
16 ★
Stars
$41
Income
$41
Price
CDG
Company
$60
Value
($30-$80)
Range
$10
Income
+$4
SBB [23]
SNCF [26]
+$8
E [43]
+$16
MAD [50]
FRA [56]
LHR [58]
MAD
Company
$50
Value
($25-$66)
Range
$10
Income
+$8
RENFE [33]
+$16
CDG [60]
RENFE
Company
$33
Value
($17-$44)
Range
$-3
Income
+$4
SNCF [26]
+$8
MAD [50]
President
DANIELB
Issued Shares
4
Shares In Bank
2
Synergy Bonus
$24
Info
Price
18 ★
$50
17 ★
$45
15 ★
$37
14 ★
$33
Stars
Price
Ship
Corporation
$3
Cash
16 ★
Stars
$23
Income
$33
Price
HH
Company
$45
Value
($23-$60)
Range
$10
Income
+$4
DSB [20]
PKP [25]
DR [29]
+$8
BSR [36]
BSR
Company
$36
Value
($18-$48)
Range
$-3
Income
+$4
DSB [20]
PKP [25]
DR [29]
+$8
SJ [31]
HH [45]
SJ
Company
$31
Value
($16-$41)
Range
$-3
Income
+$8
BSR [36]
PKP
Company
$25
Value
($13-$33)
Range
$-5
Income
+$2
SX [16]
MS [17]
PR [19]
+$4
KK [21]
DR [29]
SZD [30]
BSR [36]
HH [45]
FRA [56]
President
BENNYD
Issued Shares
5
Shares In Bank
2
Synergy Bonus
$24
Info
Price
19 ★
$41
18 ★
$37
16 ★
$30
15 ★
$27
Stars
Price
Eagle
Corporation
$18
Cash
6 ★
Stars
$10
Income
$24
Price
HA
Company
$46
Value
($23-$61)
Range
$10
Income
+$4
NS [22]
B [24]
SNCF [26]
+$8
E [43]
President
DANIELB
Issued Shares
6
Shares In Bank
4
Synergy Bonus
$0
Info
Price
16 ★
$30
15 ★
$27
13 ★
$22
12 ★
$20
Stars
Price
Jupiter
Corporation
$55
Cash
10 ★
Stars
$11
Income
$22
Price
HR
Company
$47
Value
($24-$62)
Range
$10
Income
+$4
NS [22]
B [24]
DR [29]
+$8
E [43]
President
WEISSWURST
Issued Shares
4
Shares In Bank
2
Synergy Bonus
$0
Info
Price
11 ★
$27
10 ★
$24
8 ★
$20
7 ★
$18
Stars
Price
Horse
Corporation
$0
Cash
2 ★
Stars
$-7
Income
$20
Price
PR
Company
$19
Value
($10-$25)
Range
$-7
Income
+$1
BME [1]
BSE [2]
KME [5]
AKE [6]
BPM [7]
MHE [8]
+$2
HE [14]
OL [15]
SX [16]
MS [17]
DSB [20]
NS [22]
B [24]
PKP [25]
DR [29]
President
BEORN
Issued Shares
5
Shares In Bank
4
Synergy Bonus
$0
Info
Price
12 ★
$24
11 ★
$22
9 ★
$18
8 ★
$16
Stars
Price
Star
Corporation
$0
Cash
5 ★
Stars
$-5
Income
$11
Price
SNCF
Company
$26
Value
($13-$34)
Range
$-5
Income
+$2
BD [13]
+$4
SBB [23]
B [24]
DR [29]
FS [32]
RENFE [33]
E [43]
HA [46]
CDG [60]
President
RECEIVERSHIP
Issued Shares
5
Shares In Bank
5
Synergy Bonus
$0
Info
Price
8 ★
$13
7 ★
$12
5 ★
$10
4 ★
$9
Stars
Price
Foreign Investor
Foreign Investor
Automated Player
$57
Cash
$15
Income
FRA
Company
$56
Value
($74-$74)
Range
$10
Income
+$4
KK [21]
SBB [23]
PKP [25]
DR [29]
+$16
LHR [58]
CDG [60]
Available Companies
Pending Companies
Deck (Cost of Ownership for red, orange, yellow, green $10)
Share Prices
0
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
Star
12
13
14
16
18
20
Horse
22
Jupiter
24
Eagle
27
30
33
Ship
37
41
Orion
45
Bear
50
Saturn
55
61
68
75
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